310 versus 410

I have a Bergie 3/10 and I still have my old Eden410XLT.....the Bergie sounds better to my ears! You might need a little more power than the Eden 400 for the Bergie to really bloom tho..

 

funny, but i was wondering the same thing.

i'm debating whether to step up to an Epifani UL 4x10 or stick with my original game plan with the 3x10 UL.

when i had my Demeter 3x10, i noticed it had about as much low end as a friend's SWR 4x10. but that Dem was a pretty special cab.

hope some other guys with 3x10 experience can chime in.

as for the impedence, most power amps handle it just fine, and from what i was told actually revert to 4 ohm load to compensate for the freakie 5.3 ohm load.

my post prolly didnt help for crap, but i tried...

 

I have a Bergie 310.

You need serious power to make this thing come alive.

 

I have an EA CXL-310 on the way (not that I really needed another cab... When it comes in, I can try and compare it to my Mesa Boogie Diesel 4x10 and see how it holds up.

Tom.

 

Is that EA 3x10 the tower one? Man, that's a cool looking cab.

 

I just saw an EA 3x10 go for like $300-400 on ebay. sweet looking cab, really wanted it, but definately didn't need it. 100+ lbs too, no thanks!

 

woah, now....

an EA 3x10?!?!? when did this come about? is this a custom jobby?

 

Here is the listing on ebay where I bought this cab for $315.00.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2545983151&category=4713&rd=1

I don't think that they make this anymore, though.

Tom.

 

I'm guessing that the CX-310 (no "L", my bad) is going to be awefully close to the same volume as a typical 4x10. The CX series are fairly efficient cabs, as is the Epifani T-310. At any rate, I wouldn't think that there would be a huge difference in volume with these 3x10's versus the typical 4x10. I will share the results of my tests next week when my new (to me) cab comes in.

Tom.

 

Well, my CX-310 came in, and as far as volume goes compared to my Mesa Boogie Diesel 4x10, at lower volumes, the Boogie is definitely louder and more in your face. As I crank it up, though, it comes pretty darn close. The CX-310 has a good bit more high end compared to the Boogie (and also compared to my EA VL-series cabs), so it cuts really well and you can hear everything your hands are doing (even the bad stuff - I'm still working on a filter for that ).

But at any rate, it is almost as heavy as my 4x10, but since it is skinnier (all three 10's in a vertical "tower" arrangement) and has tilt back wheels and handles on both the sides and the back, it it a good bit easier to move around. The cab is rated for 900 watts, and like most EA gear, it can take a good bit more than that. I haven't tried it with my Walkabout yet to see how it does on lower power levels.

BTW, the tweeter on this baby really amazes me! I would have thought that compared to the VL-210, which has two 5.25" mids and a tweeter, that the CX-310, which only has one (coaxial) tweeter, would not have had the same level of high mid and high end clarity and volume, but in practice, it is significantly brighter! It almost makes it sound like a VL-210 with an Epifani T-110 sitting on top!

Now that I have so dang many cabs, it is ironic that I would find such a good "one cab does it all" kind of cab! Oh, but two CX-310 would be nice, too...

Later, Tom.

 

Hi,

another consideration when selecting a cabinet are expansion options. You mentioned that you may add a 15" later on. In this case you have to make sure that yo are not going below the minimum load of the amplifier.

If you have two cabinets with an impedance (fancy word for load) of R1 and R2, and you run them in parallel, the total load the amp sees is:

R=R1* R2/( R1+ R2)

So, a 3x10 would most likely have 3 16 Ohm speakers in parallel (that is two 16 in parallel = 8 Ohm, in parallel with a 16 Ohm = 8 * 16/ (8+16) = 5.3 Ohm.

If you put this parallel to a 15" with 8 Ohm you have 5.3*8/(5.3+8)=3.2 Ohm.

You would need an amp with 2 Ohm load to be able to expand that 3x10.

 

Here's my opinion FWIW...

I own both a Epi 3x10 and a SWR Goliath III 4x10.
The 4x10 does move more air "Louder" ( the physics is fairly obvious, surface area and all that) BUT the Epi 3x10 is plenty for most gigs and matched with a 1x15, parallel from power amp, it rocks. The tone of the SWR gets harsh with power, the Epi opens up.

Size matters to me so I prefer carrying the 3x10 to the 4x10 ( like most of the guys, I double as my own roadie)

Cons.. ohms matching and need for power. The Epi loves power and comes alive with enough juice. I hear the Berg is similar.

'Sound' is in the ear of the beholder but I think most here would agree that the tone of the Bergie and Epi 3x10s are excellent.

 

I have an epi 3x10 and haven't really noticed a difference between it and a 4x10. I'm putting about 1100 watts into the epi and it sounds amazing.

As for the 5.3 ohm thing, just treat it as a 4 ohm cab and you will be fine. I love the epi, especially coupled with the demeter pre (thanks again joker).

 

I just recently received my new T310 after the UPS fiasco. I'm still learning the ins and outs of it but it is a keeper. I also have an Aggie GS410 but I've been so busy this month I haven't had a moment to run the two cabs side-by-side.

I've spent time comparing the Epi to my pair of Bergantino HT112's. Way different but I'm loving both set ups.

The stuff that I've noticed right off the bat is that the Aggie does seem to have a bit more oomph but I attribute that to the extra speaker and the fact that the Aggie is hooked up to the PLX2402 and the Epi is hooked up to the 1602.

I have been taking it easy on the T310 to break in the speakers before seeing what she's made of. From all indications I'm VERY HAPPY. Plus I love the size and weight compared to the GS410.

I really think that you should at least try and play through each of the different cabinets that you are interested in. There are some differences that might be a plus or minus for you.

 

The Berg HT310 is actually rated for 4 ohms. I don't know how that works with just 3 speakers.

It does require some juice, though. My Ampeg SVT3Pro (400W+) could barely keep up at a gig. One channel of my Stew 2.1 (~700W) provided plenty of power in the same situation.

 

np, bro!

another satisfied customer...