4 times more watts then the guitarist, still not enough?

I dunno if i think about how physically tall my 15" cab is and how tall a 2 10" cab is and if i stacked them i think it would pretty much that would pretty much go to about my thigh.

Now look at a guitar stack chances are that goes up to at least your wait maybe higher.

Bottom line you might nit be able to hear the bass that well because the sound waves are stying close to the ground. try tilting your cabs back so that they point more to your head.
Another thing would be seting up so that you guitar players cab isnt pointed torward you and dont stan in front of his cab on even really in the line of sight of the front face of his cab. Those are two really easy options to try before you get involved with the power delivry on your amp and with you cabs.


If those dont help it most defintly something wrong with how you are getting power to your cabs. or something it broken.

Seems kinda werid to me you having this problem even with a 100 watt 15" ampeg combo i have been able to out play both my guitarist and my drummer and they all have marshal stacks.

 

I've had the same kind of experience with a guitarplayer with Marshall 50 w tube. I was playing with 300 watts tube through 2x12/2X10 setup and I had problems keeping up with it?!?
So I checked his settings and he had is bass setting on full?!? This way the guitarplayer is competing on bassplayer frequencies, which makes it very hard to cut through the mix.

This might be the problem here, if so, tell him to turn down the bass and turn up the treble and mid settings. Those damn guitarplayers should stay of our frequencies!...

Did you turn up your mid setting and lower your bass? This might also help...

 

check your two cabs speaker polarity. i think you said you have a combo and extention. turn your gain most of the way down/min disconnect cord from your guitar and place a small 9v battery across the tip and sleeve of the plug. MAKE SURE ALL WOOFERS MOVE THE SAME DIRECTION. IF SOME MOVE IN AND OTHERS OUT then you have a polarity problem (switch + and - on one cab or other) if you have a polarity problem the bass from one cab will sorta cancel the other leaving mids and highs.

if not a polarity problem turn up mids, I know it sucks but so does not hearing your notes. make sure you are not too far from your cabs. if you are more than 5-10feet away you might not hear all the lows. (at least this has been my experience) ask your guitar player to lower his bass control, why does he have a bass player if HE plays those ranges????

 

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ask your guitarist to turn down...... and turn down some of his lows or add more mid's, if you can stay above your drummer then your fine... theres no reason for the guitar to be any louder than either of you. it could also have to do with your tone.. could you describe your tone?

 

That really should be sufficient for your needs, but believe me, we can all sympathize with you regarding loud guitarists!

Try adding more mids to your sound - I know it probably doesn't sound good when you play by yourself, but in the mix it should cut through better.

and maybe try putting your 210 upright on top of your 15, it'll help get better dispertion. The room might just be similar to out practice room... it just loses all the low frequencies through the thin walls, but bounces back all the higher ones, which makes the guitar seem super loud. I have to play at double the volume at practice that I do onstage , all because of the stupid room!

 

ohh okay so the tall thing is defintly not it.... Well i mean the only other thing i can think of is how you are setting the controls on your head. If you really want to just get the loudest cleanest sound out of your bass turn your mast volume knob all the way up and then add your gain/drive knob until you cant stand the distortion or it starts to clip.

Ohh thought of another haha i actually recently had this problem. What ever socket on you wall you decied to plug into make sure nothing else is being plugged into it. So dont plug you guitar players stack in the the same wall socket as your bass amp. I have that problem with my trace and the only thing that was plug into the socket was two strands of x-mas lights. so good rule of thumb make sure your bass amp is the only thing pluged into you wall socket

 

The reason guitar players play with so much bass is because its a desired tone. Maybe he wants a very flat big tone. Or another good reason is because they use allot of effects. Sometimes your effect used with guitars will sound like crap through guitar cabs. My guitar player plays through bass cabs for both these reasons.

 

This problem can be solved with a bit of compression.
The overall volume problem is a bit harder to solve... without asking the guitarist to turn down or secretly disabling 2 speakers in his 4x12

 

Your line voltage won't affect your tone this way. If you're not popping breakers don't worry about it.


It's one o'clock feeding time for the 6 mo. old, so I'm tired and don't have the wind to type it all out, but do a search on "standing waves." Depending on the frequencies you're putting out, the location in the room of your cab, and the shape and size of the room, the waves eminating from your cab may be cancelled out by their out-of-phase reflections from around the room. It would seem as if your room were literally sucking bass, and it may only happen where your rig is standing.

Try moving your cab around the room, pointing it at an angle to walls, whatever. This could easily be your problem. Even if the guitar player has his marshall wide open, 400 watts should be audible, even if only a little. Standing waves are a no.1 bass killer, and the statement that your bass sounds bigger outdoors makes me suspicious.

 

Your guitar player definately needs to turn his bass knob down. Your band will sound much better.

When guitarists practice at home by themselves, they crank the bass knob because it sounds good. But when they get into a band situation it sounds like crap. Same thing goes for bass players who practice at home by themselves with a mid scooped tone. When you play with a band you need to boost the mids a little, so you're able to cut through the mix.

I had the same problem before with my guitarist and his infatuation with turning the bass knob up too high. After I told him to turn it down, he agreed that we sounded much better because of it.

 

The best place to learn this is in a recording studio...

you realize pretty quickly that your sound in the mix is not what you are expecting it to be when you dial in the nice tone you like on stage or at home...