410 or 210

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ohmanohjeeze, Jul 8, 2002.

  1. ohmanohjeeze


    May 6, 2001
    tucson, az
    So I've been looking at cabs, and I was almost settled on a SWR Goliath Jr. 2x10, but then I realized that I could get an Ampeg SVT410HE for 20 bucks more. They're both 8 ohms cabs, the 4x10 is 400 watts and the 2x10 is 350, I'm going to add a 15 on the bottom in the near future, but I'm curious if I should go ahead and get 50 more watts and push more air, or just stick with a 2x10.

    I'm so indecisive.

    Or! should I just save another 200bucks and get a Goliath 410??

  2. incubus2432


    Mar 21, 2002
    Grafton, Ohio
    It depends..........
    If you want portability and are getting the 1x15 cab.....I'd say go for the 2x10.
    If you want a better stand alone cab that will sound even better with the 1x15....then get the 4x10.
    Personnally I like the 2x10 and 1x15 combination....I really don't think there is anything lacking.
    Compare both cabinets side by side and see which you prefer.....there is really no down side either way, just personal preference.
  3. ndjx


    Oct 26, 2001
    Get the 4x10 unless you can get the 1x15 soon. Being I know what type of music you're playing the 4x10 will post more air than the 2x10. Even still I'd get the 4x10 and then add the 1x15 later, unless portability is a big issue. Oh and it's just my personal preference but I would get the Ampeg over the SWR.
  4. 2x10" is nice for @ home.. but it just doesn't do for gigs..
  5. ohmanohjeeze


    May 6, 2001
    tucson, az
    I definitely need the cab for gigs...I have a microbass for at home, good enough for me.
    So it looks like the consensus is the 410?
    Which one though?
  6. I'm thinking of adding a 2x10 to my 4x10.
    use the 2x10 @ home and use both for gigs.
    Also uses full potential of amp (350w @ 4 ohms, rather than just 200w).
  7. depends on what your budget is eh ? :)

    for low budget you could go for the Hughes & kettner or Hartke..

    for higher budget look at the ampeg or eden.

  8. Yep - I'd go with the 4 x 10, especially if you're going to add a 1 x 15 later (that's the setup I have and it's good!) As to which one you get - A/B them and see which one is worth your money!
  9. BlacksHole


    Mar 22, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    If you get the 4x10, will you be able to transport it and a 1x15 in your vehicle? Also keep in mind that 4x10s can be quite heavy. But they frequently do sound better than 2x10s, although a top grade 2x10 can sound better than a cheap 4x10. Personally, I like the 2x10 because it fits in my car and I can carry it without wearing myself out before the gig, or struggling with it after the gig.
  10. craigers2


    Sep 26, 2001
    i really like my 2x10. i think it sounds great and it has enough power "for most situations". i have a 1x15" that i'll pull out when i'm playing outside or in larger rooms. my band's stage volume is not too loud, though.

    if you're in a loud band, i doubt that you could get away with just a 2x10.
  11. ohmanohjeeze


    May 6, 2001
    tucson, az
    well transportation shouldn't be a problem, I've fit my guitarist's 4x12 in the back of my super kia sephia.
    As for being a loud band, both the guitarists run through 4x12's and 150 watt marshall heads.
    I have a nemesis na-600 head already (630watts at 2 ohms, 435 at 4ohms, 270 at 8 ohms)

    thanks for the input, I'll guess I'll go over to guitar center and a/b some stuff once I'm doin fixin my car(they don't have a very good selections right now, theres only like 2 4x10s).
  12. 44me


    Jun 17, 2002
    Bedford, NH USA
    Check out the Aguilar GS212. If you really need the volume, then a 410 with a 115 to fatten up the bottom a bit is a real nice setup. But for me, I’m over lugging that much gear. The 212 gives you a deep bottom while retaining a lot of the punch of the 10’s. It’s also surprisingly loud, though not as loud as a 410.
  13. the only problem i've run across regarding 2x12's is that none are as affordable as 2x10's.
    Maybe there isn't much popularity....?
  14. 44me


    Jun 17, 2002
    Bedford, NH USA
    I paid a little over $600 for my GS212, which is a little more expensive than a comparable 210, but certainly cheaper than a 410. There aren’t many on the used market though. 212's certainly aren’t as popular as 210's or 410's, but I think that will change over the next few years. I really think the 212 is the best cabinet for a large percentage of players, they just don’t know it yet.
  15. $600!?!?!?!

    i paid $450 for my hartke 4x10xl new.
  16. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    Get a 410. More options later. If you like that rock/growl tone, get the Ampeg and save some bucks. If you want clarity and top-end, get the Goliath III. The SWR is my favorite 410 but it's not to everyone's taste. They can be quite bright. Eden D410XLT's are also very popular (and not cheap) but I find them nasally and too middy. Just sold one not too long ago and now use the Goliath III.

    If you end up getting a 15 later, there's really no way to beat a 410 sitting on top of a 15. You'll be able to handle just about any room.

    Having said all that, there's nothing wrong with a 210/15 stack but the 210 is not enough for some rooms/bands.
  17. 44me


    Jun 17, 2002
    Bedford, NH USA
    Sounds about right. Hartke’s are a pretty good value. However, I said a comparable 410 – for example, Eden, Epifani, Bergantino, or Aguilar’s 410 for that matter. Talk to someone with an Avatar, and he’ll tell you that you paid too much.
  18. Eden 2x10 + Eden 1x15 here
    Eden Navigator Pre-amp
    QSC 1850HD pushing the power

    Loud as all hell.

  19. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    Yup. I also occasionally use an Eden WT400 with D115XL and D210XLT. Very nice sounding rig although it can be too warm with certain basses that have a particularly strong low-end.