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410 vs 210+112.... (Berg content)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by vin*tone, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. 4x10

    45 vote(s)
  2. 2x10 + 1x12

    13 vote(s)
  1. I know I know..... this is a question that only I can answer, but hopefully a few insights and opinions can help me decide here.

    I'm currently a happy owner of a Berg HS410 - which is a great cab for my bigger gigs. .I've also got an HD112, which sits in my band rehearsal room - I only need to carry my amp (Eden WT550) to jams.

    I'm considering selling my beloved HS410 picking up an HD210 cab to pair with the HD112. The 112+210 stack would be taller and have a smaller footprint than the 410. I sometimes play on cramped stages (with my 9 piece ska band) and this would help bring the speakers closer to my ear. I'd also have the option to take the HD210 on its own to smaller gigs, trios etc..

    The downside is that the HS410, on its industrial casters is a pretty easy load in. I love the tone of this cab.... and it will sell for LESS than I can pick up an HD210.

    So you 112 + 210 guys... hows the lug in factor? People who have experience with both 410 and 112+210... whatr you're thoughts?
  2. Sell em both get two 210's. Stack them vertically.
  3. How do you deal with the load in with 2 x 210's?
    * poll added.
  4. gwangi

    gwangi Supporting Member

    Jul 4, 2009
    Forbidden Valley
    Man that is a hard choice but from somebody that has not tried the HD112 or the HD210, I'm only going by having a HS410 and how well that cabinet sounds.
    I had a previous Bergantino HS410 and I loved the sound of it but stupidly sold it here on TB and the weeks ahead it bothered me so much because that cabinet sounded KILLER I ended up searching for another HS410 and found the last brand new HS410 at Willies Guitars and bought it, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands to get this cab.
    The HS410 is an AWESOME cabinet, it is all I need.
  5. I don't. Either a 35 pound 15/6 or a tilt back 1515/66/1 fEARful.
  6. murphy


    May 5, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    keep your 410
    save the 12 and get another one
  7. Wow. Poll results overwhelmingly love the 410. It also seems people might be put off by the 10", 12" mixed drivers.

    Keep em coming...
  8. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    and this is a surprise why? :smug:

    +1 for the logical answer of another 1x12 to stack for the cramped gigs. i think you can even tilt the top one up a bit.
  9. 1954bassman


    Jun 7, 2004
    Hickory, NC
    Not a Berg, But I have a small Eden stack that is a CXC110 combo that I set on a D112XLT, and it works quite well for me. Way louder that it looks, and really opens up when you max it out. Very portable, and compact. So I voted for the 112 / 210 combo.

    If I were in your shoes, I would just keep what you got, and buy something else with your 'gas' money. :D

  10. Because the 12 and 10 aren't that different from each other. Also because the 410 has inherent design issues of its own........ for the purist. The 210 + 112 being vertically aligned, yada yada.

    * One reason I'm partial to a 210 is that they work better on their own than a 112. I previously had a pair of Aguilar DB112's - sounded great but on its own a DB112 was firing at my ankles.
  11. wmheilma


    Jan 5, 2010
    Along time ago, I switched from an SWR 4x10 to 2 SWR 2x10's which fit better in the little van we were touring in back then. The vertical stacked two 2x10's with my old SM-400 was great, but I missed that 4x10 anyway after I sold it! But I have always liked 4x10 cabs since I fell down the stairs with a big old Ampeg 8x10. OUCH!

    Now I have an SWR 6x10 for bigger stages, but my main rig is an LDS 4x8 on top of an LDS 1x15. The LDS cabs are very compact, easy to move, and sound fantastic! That little 4x8 is great by itself and kicks butt over a single 2x10 for sure. The ceramic 8's Don Oatman uses are great IMHO. It is a lot like a 4x10 with a smaller footprint and less back strain.
  12. Pickebass

    Pickebass Supporting Member

    Jul 12, 2004
    San Antonio, TX
    Long answer to a short question. I have the HT322, HT210,HT112 and IP112 (among a few others). I've mixed the ht210 and 112 together with my Db750 and got OK results. Tried the IP with the 210 and it was OK. Still was most impressed with the ip and ht 112 combo. HOWEVER, the 322 sounds great. One could assume that since it is the same speakers and approximately the same size box, it would be very similar. The separate cabs didn't compliment each other as well as I expected. It was deep sounding, but felt "sloppy" in comparison to the 322 or a ip/ht 112 combo. Both were more focused and the 112 combo was just as loud as the112/210 mix.

    That being said, tested the 112/210 combo with the new HD and the two worked together really well. Didn't get the same feeling with the HTs. I would keep the 410 (unless you want to sell it to me), and buy another 112
  13. clayfiske

    clayfiske Supporting Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Austin, TX
    I've always played through a 4x10 and a 2x10 and used the 2x10 for smaller gigs. I still own both cabs but recently began using 2-1x12's. I love the sound and portability. Like you, I use one at practice and usually both at gigs and have played small clubs and larger outdoor venues and have been quite pleased. The larger cabs are just sitting up against a wall. I however voted for the 4x10 but say get another 1x12.
  14. 410 here. Just sounds more solid to my ears...
  15. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    Fremont, Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    FWIW, in the AE (and presumably HD) line, the 1x12's and 2x10's match up much more nicely in a mix and match stack than the HT line did. Maybe the HT112ER would do okay with the HT210, but the original HT112 - while a great cab - didn't gel with the HT210, at least not IME/IMHO.

    I have not tried an HD112/HD210 combo yet, but I would expect it to be more like the AE112/AE210 combo (at least in terms of how they pair up) than the HT112/HT210 combo.
  16. I used a cart. Or made 2 trips. It was definitely worth it!

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