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43" String Recomendations

Discussion in 'Strings [DB]' started by rgarcia26, Mar 22, 2013.


  1. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    My DB scale is 43"
    80% Bow and 20% some pizz.

    I am looking for an ease to play string on the left hand and easy to bow mostly because I am a beginner and I want all the help that I can get...


    I don’t know if I should be looking for a low tension because my scale it self will increase the string tension, and also I want to reduce the down force in my bridge.

    Any recommendations???

    I have being hearing good thinks on the Pirastro Evah Pirazzi Weich
    (light gauge) upright bass strings

    Thanks
     
  2. Evah Pirazzi Weich is not as soft as you might imagine, but would do the job basically. Only pizz it might be rather dark amplified. Nice for orchestral arco and acoustical pizz.

    I know of several string sets I might recommend if the manufacturers have resolved issues with some of the strings.

    At the moment you might want to try either EP Weich or an Obligato/Spiro Mittel (S42) set, which is brighter than the EP Weich, but bows a bit less good and has some tension.

    For a beginner I would recommend a complete set of Spiro Weich S42W, because you need to practice and hear if things are going wrong with the bow. You rather need help in form of audible feedback when your bowing gets wrong. I'm assuming, you practice more than you play in ensembles. They also get much better over time for bowing, so after a year, they sound well and will continue for many more years. A cheap string set, because you can use it for a long time. You may replace the G (and D) with some other string (Innovation 140B/Braided, probably downtuned Obligato Solo) if the higher Spiros are too thin for your taste.

    If you want to go the classical solo route mostly the Belcanto might be the usual choice, maybe with a Spiro or Jazzer E. But on a longer scale they have a bit more tension.

    Maybe SuperSensitive Pinnacle are nice for you. SuperSensitive and Innovation make lower tension strings. Strings sets from both manufacturers fit on my 110cm 5-string bass. Innovation strings are probably cheaper if you order them from the UK.
     
  3. iiipopes

    iiipopes

    May 4, 2009
    Bel Canto? They advertise that (with the proper afterlength), they will fit up to 110cm, 43.3 inch mensure, and they are a little lighter than a lot of other arco strings, with great tone.
     
  4. I only gave advice towards the synthetic core string because the OP started with the Evah Weich and the higher synthetic core strings have a larger diameter (which is nice for the left hend) than the steel core ones like the Belcanto.
    But in very high positions the synthetic core strings often sound not as good/open as steel core strings. That's the reason for my advice of the Belcanto for classical (and other very high down the fingerboard styles) solo playing. Specially bowed. But they are not so good for pizzicato work (beyond classical pizz).
     
  5. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    Thank you guys! I think my next set should be Evah Weich the sound like the are the right choice for me, I am using right now Corelli, I think medium Gauge so should be the 370 I dont remember to be honest, my teacher said to stay with it for now, but when I get to it I will try the Evah Weich... I want to concentrating on bowing for now, more than Pizz... and I need something easy in my left hand and also to go to higher registers easy too...and a good bowing sound
     
  6. I would try the Belcanto's - if i were you, especially if you want to have a good sound in the upper register.
     
  7. Eva Weich is not "so" easy under the left hand. If you will bow more than pizz, and also wants some easy for the left hand, I think Obligato is a better option.

    I love Eva Weich, but it definetely has some tension, basically the same or maybe a little stiffer than a 3 y.o. Spirocore Mittels (medium) i.e.
     
  8. moles

    moles

    Jan 24, 2007
    Winnipeg, MB
    I might steer you away from Evah Weichs too. I liked them on my 42" mensure bass, but on my 4/4 they were somewhat past the point of optimum elasticity. Spiro Weich S42W won't have that problem.
     
  9. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    I will research the belcantos... I would love a good sound in the upper registers, but I also need lots of help for that E string... I still cant get it right...
     
  10. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    So seems like the Evah Weichs are not the way to go....
     
  11. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    Obligatos were my first consideration but I understood that EW were easer to play :(
     
  12. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    What I meat is if I want to try one one the strings lets say so far:

    -Belcanto
    -Obligatos

    Witch string you usually buy for a test?
    I am a BG player I never mix and match string

    I have issues with my E string but I guess every ruckie goes to this stage... but also my practicing is 100% D & G for now?

    Sugestions?
     
  13. iiipopes

    iiipopes

    May 4, 2009
    A used one. Check the classifieds.
     
  14. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    Correct I was asking witch string EADG?
     
  15. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    I think I am in between Belcantos and Spiro Weich S42W ... gosh this is so much hard than BG strings and so much money too...
     
  16. Spiros last a lot longer and Spiro Weich 4/4 (S42W) are nice to bow for a Spiro, but bowed a bit bad compared to a bowing string like the Belcanto.
    The Belcanto is more suited to bowed solo playing in the upper register. Not as good for a lot of pizz. Probably weak bottom (like most solo oriented strings, i.e. Corellis and most Solo tuning sets).

    For Orchestra, I might prefer the Spiro and practice a bit more with the bow (when practicing it is good to hear if something is wrong with your bowing technique), for classical solo playing (which I do not) the Belcanto would probably be the first choice.

    If you want something nicer to bow for the orchestra and some jazz pizz occasionally, the (British) Innovation 140B are nice to bow and work for softer jazz settings too. But they won't shine well in the upper register (too thick). But less tension than Evahs and probably a little bit brighter than Evah Weich. Good pizz sustain (on the lower two strings after a while). Might be hard to get or a bit more expensive in the US than in the UK or Europe.

    Try to find a used set, so you save some money while testing and you also see how the strings sounds after some months which is more important than the sound at the beginning.
    (The first few days the Spiros may sound horrible, they calm down quickly and settle in after some weeks or months of playing!)
     
  17. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    Great thanks
     
  18. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    I just purchased an used set of Spiro Weich I will try to record the sound changes on my DB :hyper:
    Thanks everyone specially DoubleMidi
     
  19. I hope you got the 4/4 S42W, not the 3/4 3885.0W. The 3885.0W has more tension on the same scale than the S42W and I think doesn't bow as well as the S42W.

    It is always good to have the Spiros, even if you will decide later to try something else. I even mixed the Spiros with the Innovation 140B for some time and they fit well tensionwise, but the bowing of the Spiros was different from the 140B, so later I changed to the complete set of 140B. But I wouldn't give away my Spiros.

    A few days ago I tried the Kaplans but they won't work pizzed beyond the orchestra pizz. Bowed they are really nice. But for 80% arco, 20% pizz, as you said initially, the 140B would better. The Spiro Weich are more an allround set, you can do almost anything with them if you know how to use them. But there are better specialist strings (Spiro Mittel or Jazzer fo pizz, Belcanto, Kaplan, Flexocore or Jargar etc. for arco).

    I've heard that there is somebody on Ebay USA selling Innovation strings for a good price. You might ask for other sets than the advertised ones (the 140B are not advertised).
     

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