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440 Hz vs 432 Hz

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by AaronVonRock, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. AaronVonRock


    Feb 22, 2013
  2. I remember seeing this a few weeks ago. Pretty interesting stuff, I definitely preferred the A=432hz version.
    I've always naturally tuned a little flat, when I tune by ear. I guess this could be why.
  3. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    From the web pages http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/heres-why-you-should-convert-your-music-to-432-hz/

    Nazis? Really? "Goebbels had but one big...." :spit:
  4. This is all dependent on their being 86,400 seconds pre day, take that down to 84,829 by making each second 1.85185% longer and we will all be back on track.

    Octaves use to have 19 semitones not 12. Google "microtonal" and get ready to do some math, musicians are nerds. :(
  5. callofcthulhu


    Oct 16, 2012
    I'm still going through the sources the article listed, looking for any traces of real science, but I will mention that the water memory experiment was exposed as a fraud at least five years ago, though that hasn't stopped it from circulating.

    I was really bummed to hear about it, too, the implications were amazing.
  6. f.c.geil


    May 12, 2011
    While I won't discuss the reasons touted in the article, I can state that up until the 20th century, most Western music was tuned to A432. Seems like I was told in school that it was changed because A432 was too depressing, and the "brighter" and "happier" A440 would be better for pop music.
  7. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
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  8. AaronVonRock


    Feb 22, 2013
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  9. Why would the prettier pattern in water sound better to a human brain?

    Let's see the Brain Scan patterns in a double blind randomized.

    Even if tuned to 432, how often will the slight bending of our notes throw off that beautiful universal harmony?

    It might be fun to think about this stuff - but I doubt that any of us are taking it even slightly seriously.

    Now; Back to my remote viewing of a bigfoot that is bending a spoon while being probed by aliens.
  10. Handyman


    Sep 4, 2007
    Austin, TX
    What absolute and total pseudo scientific nonsense. I really hope no one is taking this seriously.
  11. Roscoe East

    Roscoe East

    Aug 22, 2011
    That argument makes the implicit assumption that we would want music to be "mathematically consistent with the patterns of the universe", that being numerically correlated with extant patterns is somehow a good thing.

    But if we don't and it isn't, then that argument is just a crock of poop.

    Heck, perhaps if all music was "mathematically consistent with the patterns of the universe" it would cease to distinguish itself as anything special at all! No thanks jeff.
  12. Whoever wrote this has been tuning to 420 a little too often.
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  13. For the win! :)
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  14. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Maestro, the answer is here! But seriously, the idea that 440 is even all that widespread is a joke. Music has been around for at least 60,000 years, based on the ancient antler and bone flutes in the Museum of Natural History in Vienna, Austria.

    I wonder which "A" they used then? What about in 10,0000 BC Africa, or Old Kingdom Egypt? Did Pythagorus care? What was the "A" in the Guidonian Hand or in Josquin's Motets? Did the Shawnee use the same "A" as the Narragansett, and did 12th C. Mali singers tell the Tar players of Persia how to tune?

    Come on. There is no "A," there is only music as we see fit to make it the Art that it is. :rollno:
  15. My band uses A432 in a A-E-A-D (Bass) and A-E-A-D-G-C-F (guitar)
  16. Beej


    Feb 10, 2007
    Victoria, BC
    Great article, very entertaining. I haven't laughed like that in a while...thanks... :)
  17. What are you talking about? Everyone knows music started with The Beatles....
  18. GK Growl

    GK Growl

    Dec 31, 2011
    There is a kid somewhere right now thinking that music started with Justin Bieber.
  19. homie


    Mar 16, 2014
    "Simpson did it" :p
  20. pnchad

    pnchad Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2005
    Forget the 'new age' part of this crap - there is a 'natural' tuning based on the physics of sound waves and frequencies, but all things are relative and humans can't (with some exceptions) perceive such small differences

    Classical conductors actually have their preferred pitches for certain pieces of music both flatter and sharper than A440 - so they have the piano tuned thus and everybody else tunes relatively