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4x10 for low tunings?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by adamaarts, Jul 23, 2003.


  1. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    ok i am selling my dirtbike, and the first thing on my GAS list is to get a new 4x10. my carvin 15 isnt cutting it and the drummers ampeg 8x10 is a lug. i want something for me.

    i am looking for something that will handle low A and Ab tunings, at least not crap out when i throw those at it. the ampeg does a good job, i like the sound of 10s but i dont want my notes to crap out like the carvin (yea i regret every minute of playing that thing) and also, i want it to be relatively efficient, good volume.

    i was looking at the Hartke 4.5 XL but i think that it just looks dumb, but it has a good low sensitivity handling. then i thought about avatar, but have no way of testing it, and im not sure if it will handle the lows. then i came across ampegs BSE410HLF, seems better than the 8x10 in low freq range. the list keeps going... i like the sound of a GK 4x10 (tried one at church) but am not sure of the model.

    and thats not yet considering Eden, Berg, or those other colored cabs. Eden may work in a rock situation (incubus) but im not too sure of the other cabs, and have no knowledge of a place that carrys them locally.


    Hartke 4.5 XL
    Avatar B410
    Ampeg 4x10
    SWR 4x10 (goliath)
    Eden 4x10
    Other

    i know i will have to hear them before buying, but i still want your opinions and what to stay away from. i know that an 18 might do better but i love the sound and punch from 10s, and have yet to find any other speaker that i like. oh and no Acmes please. i do want to hear myself :D

    thanks.
     
  2. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Eden D-410XST probably the best for that application.
     
  3. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    what is the difference between the xst and the xlt, is the xst less colored? if i bought an eden it would probably be to get a colored sound, i do like that tone from them. but which would be better low effecient?

    doesnt the xlt have a bump in the 80Hz range? that seems like low end to me.
     
  4. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    the XST series supposedly has a flatter, more natural sounding midrange that's apart from its more honkin' XLT brethren. also, th XST line hits the lower registers like the 31 hz of a Low B string.

    http://www.eden-electronics.com/410XsT.html

    but, i vote for the lighter, and cheaper, yet not quite as loud, Acme B4 Series II 4x10. and why not? its a nice and svelt 78 lbs. compared to the more usual 95 lbs. of 4x10's. costs 1/3 less than the Eden. and also, tonally, in the larger 4x10 size, i have yet to hear anyone complain about their loudness. with a 2 week trial, why not give one a go?

    http://www.acmebass.com/products/b4.html

    still, the specs of the Eden really does impress:

    +/- 2 db 36hz to 13khz -6 db at 31hz

    vs. the Acme's:

    +/- 3 dB 41Hz to 22kHz -6 dB at 31 Hz
     
  5. Mattski

    Mattski

    Jan 6, 2003
    Cleveland, OH
    Try out a Genz-Benz 4x10 if you can. Their standard series (four rear ports)is very responsive to the lower registers. This is one of my all time fav cabinets. It's relativly light as well.
     
  6. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    meh i should have mentioned also, im a front port guy, i dont really like the idea of rear ports.
     
  7. zoran

    zoran

    May 10, 2002
    croatia
    What about aguilar gs410? I've just received one and I'm very happy with it. It's not coloured like eden, but still adds some vintage vibe in the sound. Not to mentioned it can handle lows easily
     
  8. I suggest the Acme B4, from what people say it can handle any low damn note with ease. All you have to worry about is powering it. Get 1000watts minimum for this cab.
     
  9. I'm gonna have to go with joker and back up the Acme Low B-4. I play with a moderately loud drummer and a guitarist with 130 watts-o-tube power and have NO PROBLEM being heard (and FELT for that matter) with mine. I'm running a DPC 1400X bridged @ 4ohms. You will NOT find another cabinet for this price that can handle the lows like it does. Period. With a two week trial what do ya have to loose?
     
  10. Peavey 410TVX, goes down to 30 Hz, I love mine. Cheap as well...
     
  11. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Sigh...
     
  12. ALEX, YOU BEET ME TO THE VERY SAME COMMENT...DAMN
    (Note to self...must be quicker)

    Dave
     
  13. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd


    How do you think one of these port-position obsessed bassist would handle an Acme Low-B4 with it's two ports on the back and one on the front arrangement? (So is that 33% front ported?) Or a Low-B1 with one port on the side?

    Alex
     
  14. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i was thinking of the aggy also, but have no way of trying that, eden, or acme out anywhere here.
     
  15. thumbtrap

    thumbtrap

    Jun 26, 2003
    I dunno - I thought the port was always on the left when looking toward the front of the cabinet.
     
  16. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    the port on the B1 is on the side of the box.

    stinks,

    you're right, you cant try the Acme anywhere. that's cause Andy works from outta his own shop. you merely call and order a cab from him, and like we've been saying, he gives you 2 weeks to try that sucker.

    yet, you seem so vehemently against the Acme, so i guess the Eden's you're only real choice. i'm sure you could call up the guys at BassNW or Bass Central, and ask for at least a two day trial with an Eden XST. if you decide NOT to use either cab, you'll only be out in shipping, but hey, what's a few trips to MickeyD's? :p

    btw, the other cabs in your list that you mention could possibly do fine for you app, since you'll mostly be hearing the harmonics anyways, and not the direct fundamental note. the Eden and Acme would just happen to give you more note bolstering harmonics, to make it seem punchie, even tho i highly doubt that ANY cab can hit the fundamental of a Low A.

    seems like other guys on this board are actually against cabs that can reach those low freq's, which i found really interesting. check this thread for another opinion on that:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93845
     
  17. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i dont know. the acme does seem a little tempting now, but i cant really base my decision on their specs alone. i also want something that i can use for larger outdoor venues since i have a few coming up. the eden seems a lot more impressive than the acme but the price is good on the acme.

    there are just too many choices i guess.
     
  18. Eric Cioe

    Eric Cioe

    Jun 4, 2001
    Missoula, MT
    A nice subwoofer could... my Yamaha SW1x18 PA Sub probably doesn't hit all the fundamentals, but it sounds good for very cheap.

    Stinky- why don't you go for a bi-amped rig? Get a PA sub (like mine), and cross that over at about 100-150 Hz, then get an Avatar (great tone, but not much bottom (in my 2x10 anyway)) 4x10 for the highs?
     
  19. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i dont for two reasons

    1 - i like the sound of 10s bottom line

    2 - if i had two cabs 1 18 and a 2 10 then i woukld have two cabs, and if i only needed one, then id have a different tone than the two, also see point number 1
     
  20. 27.5 Hz? No problem.

    :D