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4x10 vs 2x12?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by shocki, Dec 2, 2015.


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  1. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    I am currently using 2 1x12 GS112 cabinets. Im wondering if I am missing somehting compared to a 4x10 ? Actually I am really satisfied with the basic sound I am getting. But the spread of the cabs could be a big "bigger" if you know what I mean.
     
  2. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    As long as you are stacking your 112s vertically, you are loosing minimal volume vs. a 410 and your dispersion is considerably better.
     
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  3. mbelue

    mbelue

    Dec 11, 2010
    Spread, visually or audibly?
    The 4x10 will audibly "spread" less than the 2x12 although it should sound louder directly in front. The 2x12 will sound much more even to the side although mildly less volume.
     
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  4. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    Volume should be quite a bit higher on 4x10. But I can live with the volume on the 2 1x12. You mean dispersion is even better than with 4x10 ? I was expecting the opposite.
     
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  5. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    This is for Aguilar 212 and 410.

    Sensitivity:
    98 dB 1W 1M
    Sensitivity: 101 dB 1W 1M

    3 dB is quite a bit. But this OK to me. I just tought the 410 will sound "bigger" than 2 112 which I really like.
     
  6. mbelue

    mbelue

    Dec 11, 2010
    3db is nothing to laugh at. What are their off- axis response?
    That will be where the 2-112s will be noticeably improved.

    You are aware other people make speakers besides Aguilar right?;)(They sure do make nice stuff though.)
     
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  7. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    Other brands than Aguilar? Not in my life ;) I just posted those figures as an example. Should be the same for other brands of course.
     
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  8. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    To sum it up. Other than volume there is no reason to go for 410? Of course I really like the form factor of 2 1x12.
     
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  9. el murdoque

    el murdoque

    Mar 10, 2013
    Germany
    When i compare my GS212 soloed against a 410 of equal quality, set up against a medium loud drummer and two guitars that are quite loud,
    the 410 brings the bottom that the 212 lacks. With either cab, i have to push hard, but the 410 gets that bit further that is needed to get through the mix. The 410 _just_ makes it, while the 212 falls short - the bass, while audible, sounds thin.
    These are quite extreme conditions. The room is terrible for bass and the gui****s are deaf old men that cranked their amps for some 30 years now and have no concept of dialing in a tone that does not make your ears melt.
     
  10. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
  11. el murdoque

    el murdoque

    Mar 10, 2013
    Germany
    I tried a Trace Elliot, an Ampeg, a custom made and i think a TC, but i'm not sure.
    I settled for 2 GS212's. They are just that tiny bit smaller and easier to lug around.
     
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  12. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    But you just wrote you were preferring the 410 over the 212? Or did misunderstand something?
     
  13. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    I dig the modular 1x12 rig. It can probably depend somewhat upon the product line. With Mesa PH I prefer the 4x10 cab to the 2x12 by a tiny hair but prefer 2 1x12 to either.
     
  14. shocki

    shocki

    Nov 14, 2015
    Germany
    I even saw people using 3 1x12. Should be great ;)
     
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  15. chris_b

    chris_b

    Jun 2, 2007
    I gave up an Epifani 410 for 2 Berg AE112's and 2 AE210's. I sold the AE210's and now use a CN212.

    I have never wanted to go back.
     
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  16. Marial

    Marial weapons-grade plum

    Apr 8, 2011
    If you need that much wallop, the Berg CN212 or Audiokinesis TC212 are pretty much unbeatable as far as I'm concerned. Small footprint, great dispersion, amazing tone. And LOUD.
     
  17. Part of G-K's NEO speaker line:
    Specifications Neo 410 Neo 210 Impedance: 8 ohms 8 ohms Power Handling (RMS): 800W 400W Power Handling (Peak): 1600W 800W Sensitivity: 103 dB 98 dB Maximum SPL: 132 dB 124 dB Frequency Resp. (-3dB): 30 Hz to 19 kHz 47 Hz to 19 kHz Woofers (Neodymium): 200W 32 ohm 200W 16 ohm Horn (P-Audio): 25W 8 ohm 25W 8 ohm Porting: Front-Ported Front-Ported Dimensions (WxHxD): 23.5 x 26.5 x 18.5 23.5 x 19.5 x 15.5 Weight: 68 lbs. 40 lbs. Neo212-II Neo 112-II Impedance: 8 ohms 8 ohms Power Handling (RMS): 600W 300W Power Handling (Peak): 1200W 600W Sensitivity: 101 dB 98 dB Maximum SPL: 129 dB 122 dB Frequency Resp. (-3dB): 53 Hz to 19 kHz 51 Hz to 19 kHz Woofers (Neodymium): 300W 16 ohm 300W 8 ohm Horn (P-Audio): 25W 8 ohm 25W 8 ohm Porting: Front-Ported Front-Ported Dimensions (WxHxD): 23.5x24.5x16.5 23.5 x15.5 x16.5 Weight: 50.5 lbs. 30 lbs

    The Aggie 212 has the same sensitivity as G-K's 112, G-K's 212 is 101db 1w/1m (same as Aggie's 410, G-K 410 103).
     
  18. It isnt even really that cut and dry. Every cab should be considered on an individual basis. There are some 212's that are louder than most 410's. There are also some 410's that are real dogs.
     
  19. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    In general, 2 12s are almost as loud, but lighter and smaller.
     
  20. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY
    I have stacked 1x12's at my church gig and a 2x12 for clubs. Sold my 4x10. Don't miss the big heavy transport and the 12's are a better tone to my ears. All cabs are Bergantino
     
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