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5 man band $5000 sponcered budget!!!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by rusmannx, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. rusmannx


    Jul 16, 2001
    so get this.
    my lead guitarist (best friend, is 21) is also a teacher at some school for troubled kids. his boss came to him last week telling him we wants him to teach a "rock band" class and take 10 kids and turn them into a band (or two 5 man bands). so he called me and told me he wants me on board, and we have to have an itemized budget drawn up in 15 days!!!

    anyway, being that i only know bass, i was wondering what you fellas would do? we've figured we're going to spend around $1000 for a drum set, and $1000 for mics, small PA, maybe some used/cheap recording gear, and then $3000 for the rest of the band. if we do a 5-man, it will be
    lead guit
    ryth guit
    with remaining 3k we'll have to get 2 guits, a bass, and the amps for them all.

    any suggestions? mics, mixer, pa stuff, guitars??????? lets here some ideas guys! HOW WOULD YOU SPEND OUR MONEY?
  2. nastyn8c


    Feb 7, 2005
    Tampa, FL
    Two things I would suggest:
    1) a Yorkville bass combo (the 1x15).
    Made in Canada, they are cheap (price-wise), but I A/B'd mine using my Lakland 55-94 against my SWR SM-400S with a Bigfoot cabinet. That is 200 watts into one 15 against 500 watts into a pair of 12s. Amazingly, the Yorkville clearly won in volume, though it was closer in tone. I don't think there is any cab that could stand up to this considering value.
    I currently run the Yorky next to my SM-400S into an Eden 410XLT. The rig rocks.
    New price: $479.19 on musiciansfriend.com
    Used: I'll let mine go for $250 + s/h from tampa, but only because I know it's for a good cause - no other offers please.

    2) a Rogue RG120R combo guitar amp.
    My friend just bought one, and it is loud. The distortion on it is pretty bad, but heck, for $179, you are not paying for too much mure than volume anyway. Just use a distortion pedal, leave the amp on clean, and it will roar. The only other problem is that sound goes pretty much in a straight line from the speakers. I just kicked it back and it had no problem filling a large room at volume level 5.
    New price: $179 on musiciansfriend.com
    You could even use 2 - one for each guitar.

    3) Epiphone guitars. They rock for very little money. $120 will get you a good sounding entry-level SG. I haven't seen anything better for the money.

    4) OLP Musicman style basses- I haven't played one, but only because I was driven away by aesthetic flaws. Bass Player Mag gave it a pretty good reviews. - it's just the first thing that comes to mind.

    I hope all this helps. Email me if you want to talk.
  3. Petebass


    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    I'm moving this to Misc. You'll get more hits over here.
  4. HamOnTheCob

    HamOnTheCob Jacob Moore Supporting Member

    Nov 21, 2004
    Cambridge, Ohio, USA
    Endorsing Artist for Warwick Basses, Mesa Engineering, Joyo Technology, Dr. J Pedals, and Levy's Leathers
    For guitar amps, I highly recommend the Line 6 Spider 112 50W combo. It's plenty loud, sounds amazing, has effects and headphone out, and can be had used for around $200, which is a steal for the quality of it.

    For bass, I'd look into cheap Peavey heads and some Legion Sound cabs on eBay. I got a brand new Legion stack (410 and a 118) for $250, and it was surprisingly good. I got it just to check it out, and then sold each cab individually to get my money back and then some. The 410 was 600W RMS, the 118 was 300W RMS. I'd get an old Peavey Mark III for amplification. They're pretty common for under $150, and they're plenty of power for start-up musicians.

    Drums... $1000 is a lot for a starter kit. You could easily score a good used 5-piece with cymbals for around $600 or so. Try to save some of your budget for cables and drumsticks. Also, you never know when you'll need to replace a cymbal. Wuhan makes cheap cymbals (I bought a few 12" china crashes for $10.00 each from MusiciansFriend).

    I'd buy used guitars and basses if you can because you'll get more quality for your money. Maybe Ibanez or MIM Fender basses?

    As for guitars, I actually 2nd the suggestion about Epiphones. The Les Paul Special II is a surprisingly nice guitar. You could also get a vintage Kay solid body electric on eBay for around $100, and they rock. (I only know because I have one, passed down from my grandpa. It sounds great and looks sweet too.)

    You can get some decent mics cheap. I bought an Audio Technica ATR-30 for $15 brand new on sale at a store... I swear it's every bit as good as an SM58.

    For a PA, I'd go with a small powered mixer (maybe a Yamaha 640EX... they go used on the 'bay for around $200-250 I think) and some 15s with horns maybe. Carvin makes some cheap PA stuff if you have to go new. But used, you should be able to put together a real nice start-up PA for around $500 + mics.

    For recording, I just got a Tascam 788, and it's superb. The on-board effects and such are outstanding, and it'll do 6 tracks simultaneously (most only do 2). I got it from a TBer for $250, but they can be had usually for around $300-350, and are worth every penny.

    Did I forget anything?

    Oh and as something to think about, if you go to a music store and tell them about the situation and the whole "helping the kids" thing, they might cut you a good package deal, or even donate a piece of gear or 2. They might at least offer to outfit you with cables and sticks, which will help considerably, as mic and instrument cables could easily set you back $100. And free drumsticks would come in handy when your newbie drummer breaks a stick or 2 at every practice. :)

    Also check out SX guitars and basses (I think it's www.rondomusic.com). A lot of people have praised them heavily for being a lot of bang for very little buck...

    Hope this helps give you some ideas. Keep us posted!
  5. Freeloader


    Dec 30, 2004
    i really don't have much to do right now, so here's some stuff i searched for (all at music123.com) :

    drum sets :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Peace-Onyx-Series-5-Piece-Drumset-i80142.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Mapex-V5255T-5-Piece-Standard-kit-i17319.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Mapex-VX5245TC-VX-Plasma-Lacquer-5-Piece-Fusionease-i155848.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/Premier-7195S-Cabria-Lite-Standard-5-Piece-Drum-Set-i152910.music
    5) http://www.music123.com/Premier-7390-Cabria-Standard-Jazz-20-i159548.music
    6) http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-Rydeen-5-Piece-Drum-Set-i110215.music

    cymbals :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Paiste-502-Plus-Standard-Cymbal-Set-i101056.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Paiste-802-Plus-Standard-Cymbal-Set-i101173.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Sabian-Pro-Sonix-Performance-Set-i69768.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/Sabian-B8-Performance-Set-With-Bag-i27120.music
    5) http://www.music123.com/Zildjian-ZBT-4-Pack-With-Bag-i142499.music

    bass guitars :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Squier-Affinity-P-Bass-i63535.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Squier-Affinity-J-Bass-i127661.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Ibanez-GSR100-i50755.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-RBX170-i33964.music
    5) http://www.music123.com/Ibanez-GSR200-i27198.music
    6) http://www.music123.com/Peavey-Millennium-4-BXP-i137603.music

    bass amps :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Ibanez-SW65-i59623.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Fender-Rumble-100-i108903.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Alesis-Bassfire-60-i156485.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/SWR-LA15-i48610.music

    guitars :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Squier-Affinity-Tele-Special-i108999.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Epiphone-G310-i27918.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Ibanez-GAX70-i66022.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/Squier-Standard-Strat-i64565.music
    5) http://www.music123.com/Silvertone-SSL3-Session-Master-Pro--i103168.music

    guitar amps :
    1) http://www.music123.com/Crate-VTX15-LTD-i140736.music
    2) http://www.music123.com/Behringer-GMX112-i156882.music
    3) http://www.music123.com/Marshall-MG30DFX-i11121.music
    4) http://www.music123.com/Crate-GT212-i114102.music
  6. HamOnTheCob

    HamOnTheCob Jacob Moore Supporting Member

    Nov 21, 2004
    Cambridge, Ohio, USA
    Endorsing Artist for Warwick Basses, Mesa Engineering, Joyo Technology, Dr. J Pedals, and Levy's Leathers
    Just a quick tabulation...

    Line 6 Spider - $200 used
    Line 6 Spider - $200 used
    Epi Les Paul Special II - $100 used?
    Kay Electric - $100 used
    Ibanez Soundgear bass - $200 used?
    PA - $500 used
    Mics - $200 used?
    Yamaha 5-piece w/ cymbals - $600 used
    Cables, straps, sticks - $100
    Peavey Mark III (150W) - $150
    Legion or other cheap 410 - $150?
    Tascam 788 recorder - $350

    Total about $2850 +/-

    This would leave you with enough money you could probably make 3 or 4 bands, instead of 2, which would help more kids. Or you could put the extra money into adding to the PA, mics, etc, buying effects, some keyboards, acoustic guitars, or a bunch of other stuff.

    One cool thing would be to spend some money on lots of different instruments. Get some melodicas, harmonicas, bongos, djembes, shakers, a banjo, ukelele, and whatever else you can find. You might find that some very interesting, fun, and educational things can happen when you give people a broad range of choices as opposed to just guitar, bass, drums, vocals. In Lohio, we use all these things and more to be as creative as we can be. We have a couple of synths (one vintage and one brand new) and also we have 3 vintage organs, two of which were free (found them in the paper) and one was $50. You could also put an ad in the paper saying "Wanted: free or cheap musical instruments for educational project involving troubled youths" or something along those lines. Not that your kids are a charity case, but it never hurts to play to that in a plea for donations. :) You'll probably get a big response.

    How much time will you have with these kids? We have a vintage pinball machine, a pool table, and an old fooseball table in our practice place that we use when we're having creative differences or just when there's a rut in creativity. Not saying you need a pool table, but it might be comforting for them to have an outlet for frustration (we all know how frustrating it can be to learn an instrument, let alone trying to learn it while everyone else in the room is trying to learn theirs too. hehe "SCREEECH CLANG BOOM CLANG THUD BANG" is what I'm imagining... hehe If you're gonna be having a lot of time with them like in the evenings or something, maybe get an old NES on eBay or something. Just something fun, but not something they'll want to focus on entirely like a PS2 or GameCube.

    I'd love to have an opportunity like you're having now.

  7. rusmannx


    Jul 16, 2001
    wow, thank a lot guys. keep the suggestions coming. this saturday we're going to be driving around looking for deals so we can write up our budget. i'll let you all know how the progress is going if you'll keep sending some ideas my way. i'm also thinking this is going to eventually turn into a web page on my server, with progress recordings, pics, vids, (stuff for the kids to show their parents) and other stuff.
    again everyone, thanks a ton!