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$6.00 for a pint of beer! $11 for a pack of smokes!

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by syciprider, Mar 13, 2008.


  1. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Geezus. I don't like these sin taxes. It seems that you are being punished for having a good time or providing yourself with things you deserve for being a good hardworking citizen.

    Governments want to tax everything. I remember a few years ago there was talk in the House to tax the internet!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/ap_on_re_eu/britain_sin_taxes

    LONDON - Many Britons were resigning themselves to more puritanical lifestyles Thursday as they faced the prospect of "sin taxes" that will increase the cost of alcohol, cigarettes, gas-guzzling cars and, potentially, plastic bags.

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    "Don't Drink or Drive" trumpeted the Sun newspaper after Treasury chief Alistair Darling unveiled the measures on Wednesday in the government's annual spending plan.

    The Labour Party government is hoping that hiking taxes on booze will help curb Britain's binge-drinking culture.

    But breakfast talk radio was abuzz with callers lamenting the potential death of Britain's pub scene, with the tax hike coming less than a year after the government imposed a smoking ban in all public buildings.

    "They put more on alcohol because they think there's going to be binge-drinking, but it won't stop. It just stops people going in pubs," said Sarah Thomas, 33, a teacher trainer smoking a rolled tobacco cigarette outside The Goose pub in central London.

    From this weekend, alcohol duties will rise by 6 percent above inflation — meaning an extra 8 cents for a pint of beer, which already costs about $6 in an average London pub.

    They will go up around 26 cents for a bottle of wine and a whopping $1.10 a bottle for spirits such as whisky.

    The duties will then rise by another 2 percent above inflation in each of the next four years, reversing a trend in previous budgets to keep increases low for most alcohol products. Duties on spirits were frozen for the past 10 years to boost British spirit makers' competitiveness, accounting for the large jump this year.

    A packet of cigarettes, already a steep $11.20, will rise by 22 cents.

    The first budget under Prime Minister Gordon Brown also planned to reward ecologically minded voters by imposing higher taxes on heavier polluting cars from 2010.

    The increases — to be charged at the point of sale and in higher road taxes — mean that many family cars, along with gas-guzzling vehicles and sports cars will come with larger price tags and be more expensive to drive.

    George Osborne, the opposition Conservative Party spokesman said the plans would unfairly target hardworking families who need large vehicles like SUVs.

    "Labour's economic incompetence means a rising cost of living for the very people they said they would help," said Osborne.

    The government will also begin imposing a charge on single-use plastic bags next year — a measure already in place in Ireland — if supermarkets and other stores don't make "sufficient progress" to voluntarily reduce their use by the end of this year.

    The government said money raised by a plastic bag levy would go to environmental charities, while that from alcohol and cigarette taxes would help fund a $2 billion package to tackle child poverty.

    But Steve Thompson, 39, an air conditioning engineer enjoying a lunch break with a cigarette and a half-pint of beer outside the Melton Mowbray pub in central London, wasn't buying the government's social plan.

    "They know that people who are addicted can't quit smoking but they still tax it and get their revenue for it," said Thompson. "They're crooks. They waste taxpayers' money terribly."

    Rob Hayward, chief executive of the British Beer & Pub Association, said the government was "shooting itself in the foot" because it would lose revenue if pubs are forced to close.

    "The government is punishing all beer drinkers rather than tackling the minority of drunken hooligans," Hayward said.

    The Wine and Spirit Trade Association said that as British costs rises faster than in continental Europe, more people will simply go abroad for the cheaper prices, particularly on wine. The new charges will tax wine at nearly $3 a bottle — the highest in the European Union and well above the 4 cents charged in France.

    With Britons already facing rising prices for food and other basic amid the gloom caused by the global credit crunch, the Wine and Spirit Trade Association said the new taxes were a form of punishment.

    "It is bizarre at a time when the economy is slowing, prices are rising and many families are feeling the pinch, that the government should choose to add to their burden by making the simple pleasure of a glass of wine or spirits considerably more expensive," said the association's chief executive Jeremy Beadles.


    Here in Kali we tax the crap out of smokes. I think most of the price for a pack of cigs ($4?) here in Kali goes to state and federal coffers.
     
  2. Good.

    lowsound
     
  3. Valerus

    Valerus

    Aug 4, 2005
    Austin, Texas
    Good gesture.
     
  4. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Gesture indeed.

    Drinking is down because taxes are up. Great concept. :rollno:
     
  5. peterbright

    peterbright

    Jan 23, 2007
    On The Bayou
    I think they should tax them even more
     
  6. GeneralElectric

    GeneralElectric

    Dec 26, 2007
    NY, NY
    Its 7.50 or so for a pack in NYC:rollno:
     
  7. TrooperFarva

    TrooperFarva

    Nov 25, 2004
    New City, NY
    I don't smoke, and I only have a drink or 2 per week

    However, if there was a way to tax the pomposity of those who think those taxes should be increased, the government would have quite a bit of funding for a good long while.

    Very similar to the "I have a Mac, and therefore, I'm better than you" mentality.
     
  8. plexibass

    plexibass

    Jun 30, 2005
    in georgia it's like 4.00 a pack. if anyone wants to send me money for cigarettes.........

    prohibition didnt really work well the 1st time, what makes governments think that prohibition by taxation is going to work?
     
  9. That isn't going to stop people from drinking, its just going to cause them to make their own alcohol.
     
  10. HollowBassman

    HollowBassman

    Jun 24, 2007
    Hancock, MD
    As a non-drinking, non-smoking U.S. citizen, I probably shouldn't care, but I think these "sin taxes" are a horrible idea!
     
  11. casualmadness

    casualmadness

    Dec 15, 2005
    VA
    Well said Trooper. I agree 100%
     
  12. I wonder if they'll tax divorce and pre-marital sex as well.

    Sin tax my arse.
     
  13. Why should I pay $6 for a pint of crappy beer from a bar when I can go to Beverages and More and pay $2 or $3 for a pint of fantastic German doppelbock, for instance. I know that not everyone has such a resource available to them, but if you do, I heartily recommend heading down to BevMo, investing in a bunch of 0.5L glassware, picking up a bunch of amazing brews in pint bottles, and inviting your friends over for some cheerful times.
     
  14. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Exactly. All excessive taxation will do is create new crimes.

    And the article mentioned this as well. All this will do is kill the pubs. Folks will still drink at home (I think this implies that the tax only applies to drinks bought in a bar)
     
  15. After graduation I'm leaving Britain so fast....
     
  16. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Move to Vegas! They are proud of the fact that it is the City of Sin! :smug:
     
  17. MyUsernameHere

    MyUsernameHere ?????????????

    Nov 3, 2007
    Lexington KY
    The only thing better than enacting these taxes to stop supposed "sinners" is when they are also justified as a means of revenue collection for noble causes like schools, police, health care, etc (at least that's usually the spiel for this type of thing in the U.S.). Makes perfect sense to fund projects with money collected from activities you are hoping to stop.
     
  18. Brew your own beer!!!!! A pint of my special brew usually costs about $0.75.
     
  19. cdef

    cdef

    Jul 18, 2003
    I'm glad to have been a tax-paying citizen all my life. Now that I need it, taxes pay for my unemployment, my health care, etc. It's not as if I'm sponging, because I've paid my share, and I'm still paying on a percentage. From a poor person's perspective, how could society work if there were no taxes? Ayn Rand style?
     
  20. bassaficionado6

    bassaficionado6 Something about gumption

    Jan 7, 2008
    Napa, CA
    Rush fodder.
     

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