8-String in a Pedal: Mosaic? Multi Overtone?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Hobobob, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Hey all, I’m in the market for an octave-up pedal to replace my aging and noisy Line 6 M5.

    My top requirements are effect tone (the more natural and close to an 8-string tone, the better), low end retention, good tracking, and low latency. I would also like it to handle notes down to low B if possible.

    I tried the EHX Pitchfork and a few POG variants, and they all sounded too digital and effecty for me. The Pitchfork also had really bad latency as well.

    I haven’t had a chance to plug into any of the newer Whammy derivatives, but given my limited pedalboard space it would have to be the Ricochet if it’s recommended. Although, from the YouTube reviews I’ve seen it sounds a bit too digital for me.

    Right now I have my eye on the Digitech Mosaic and Boss Multi Overtone. I’m definitely open to other suggestions as well. I only ask that suggestions be for readily available pedals that won’t cost both kidneys and my first born. Extras like modulation and synth tones are cool, but not at the expense of the requirements I laid out above.

    If you can’t tell, I’m a picky SOB. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time or cash to buy and flip pedals to compare them in person, and my local music shops don’t have any options I haven’t already tried and disliked. I really appreciate the help, and a preemptive thanks to anyone who can offer input!
  2. H9, i use it as a D-tuner or down to B, to not having to use 5-string bass. You can’t tell the difference in a band setting, no latency to speak of.
  3. I've owned both I love the boss but I think the Mosaic would be closer to your needs

    I did a vid of the Boss

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  4. DDXdesign

    DDXdesign formerly 'jammadave' Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 15, 2003
    Wait, he's looking for an effect that will give him the root-plus-octave of an 8-string double-coursed bass, not to pitch shift downward. I'm sure the H9 has something for that, too, just clarifying.
  5. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
  6. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    I was actually watching this as I posted this thread! Does the Boss suck low end? Sounds like it does on mode 1, but mode 2 sounded like it might as well. I like the detune effect since a little of it gives the tone that chorused sound like there’s actually two strings ringing out at the same time.

    And thanks for posting the best bass review of this pedal on YouTube!
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  7. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    This is correct, but thanks Mr. voodoobass for being willing to help!
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  8. Thanks! So the "wet" tone of setting one especially will cut the low end, setting two I find the most balanced and setting three just seems a bit muddy for bass in my opinion. Personally my favourite settings are always setting two with 25-50% wet blended in with the Balance control.
  9. vvvmmm


    Dec 6, 2016
    I have an actual 8-string bass (ESP Ltd. B-208FM); I can get pretty close to its sound with a Pigtronix Bass Phaser and a chorus.
  10. Correct, it can do what you ask for. I’ve been using it for the 8-string thing too at times, sounds great but i’m sure there are other not so costly pedals that can do the same.
    Ehx ring thing does it too, but does sound a little sterile.
  11. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Cool cool, the tone of the effect sounds really good to me so if low end isn’t a problem, I might be able to save the $30 or so and get the Boss instead of the Mosaic.

    Have you tried it with notes lower than E? Do you know if it tracks well on a 5-string?
  12. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Interesting suggestion, I already have a chorus so I’ll check it out.
  13. Bassist4Eris

    Bassist4Eris Frat-Pack Sympathizer

    I own an 8-string bass, but I got tired of bringing it to gigs just to play it on a handful of songs, so I ended up getting a Nano POG. I agree that it sounds "digital and effecty" by itself, but it's actually pretty convincing in the mix. One trick I've found is to have the octave-up at only about half the level of the dry signal.
  14. Al Krow

    Al Krow

    Jan 15, 2018
    I'm also an 8 string owner (Schecter Stiletto 8). Previously had an EHX Pitchfork and agree it sounded pretty tinny / digital. Mosaic has been on my board a while now - I think it's a great pedal and very happy to recommend it.

    For a bit of fun, I provided a few recorded samples of 4 string + Mosaic vs 8 string and asked fellow bassists on this side of the pond to see if they could easily tell them apart. 40% thought the Mosaic got pretty close and some were even 'fooled' into thinking that the Mosaic was the 8 string.

    Here's a link to that thread if you're interested in having a listen to the clips for yourself.

    Is it an 8 string or a 4 string?
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
  15. Bassmike62

    Bassmike62 Punch'n Ooomph Supporting Member

    I have the Mosaic and use it occasionnally on acoustic guitar. I just tried it with an Epi TBird Bass and even though it's not a sound I would go go for, it worked out quite well with the level knob at 10oc and the tone set at noon. As for the Ricochet, I owned 2 different units and gave up on it, I really couldn't deal with the muddyness the latency brought with the gear I had at the time. I even left a band because all guitars were required to have this pedal and I simply wanted no part of it (and I'm far from being a tone purist). Could also that I didn't adjust my playing properly, but at that point, I really didn't care for the pedal anymore. Of course, YMMV.

    Disclaimer: never owned 8 or 12 stringers.
  16. BAG


    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    I used to use a pedal to emulate an 8 string and it did pretty well. Good enough for a situation where you only use it on one or two songs.

    I now have an actual 8-string and use it on about half the songs in a rock trio. The reality is that the pedal versions, all of them, can't really do what the 8 can do. By adjusting picking technique you can get more or less of the octave note (or for some parts of songs, none of the octave) and running it through two amps, (bass amp set for the four string P bass and then a guitar amp with the bottom end right down and a bit of dirt and reverb for the upper frequencies) the sound is huge and not much like an octave-up pedal.
  17. Peter Wagstaff

    Peter Wagstaff

    Jun 10, 2019
    I bought the Multi Overtone just for fun to try on both guitar and bass, not specifically looking for an 8 or 12 string sound. I would agree with DosiYanarchy that mode 2 sounds the best for bass guitar with just a little blend. Mode one is a little lacking on the bass, and mode 3 basically doubles the original bass note yielding nothing crazy. Still a fun pedal! I have not tried any notes lower than E because I don't own a five string or tune down. At extreme settings you can get some really weird effects. I'm more interested in an octave down pedal now.
  18. BurtMacklinFBI

    BurtMacklinFBI Degen from Up-Country

    Apr 3, 2018
    The multi-overtone is a cool pedal, but IMO the Mosaic sounds more like a genuine 8-string. I haven’t tried it on a 5, but it seems to handle down to D just fine.
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  19. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Update: I managed to find a Multi Overtone at a small music shop not too far away. Checked it out with a Lakland 5 string.

    Pros: It does track almost perfectly down to low B, and with the blend knob farther to dry (before 12 o’clock) it does not suck a noticeable amount of low end even on mode 1. Oddly enough, mode 1 was my favorite since it only added the upper octave and nothing else to the sound. With the blend more to dry and the tone way up, it did give a fairly convincing 8 string tone, and I can imagine it would only be better in the mix.

    Cons: the latency was definitely noticeable, mostly with fingerstyle. Not as bad as the Pitchfork, but still not quite as good as the harmony effect in my M5. And while the tone was pretty good, there still was a bit of digital hokeyness.

    Maybe I’m just being picky. If the latency issue was only slightly better, I probably would have walked out of the store with it. But as it is, I would like to get my hands on a Mosaic before making a decision.