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A brief SS head comparison (Groove Bass content!)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by tombowlus, Dec 1, 2005.


  1. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    I was recently able to pick up a Kustom Groove Bass 1200 for a crazy good price off ebay (thanks for the heads up, Quadzilla!), and it is going to be passed on to another TBer (you know who you are! ;)). But, before I handed it off, I wanted to do a little comparing with some of my other solid state (or hybrid) heads - imagine that! :p

    The lineup looked like this:

    Walter Woods Ultra
    Mesa Boogie Walkabout
    Kustom Groove Bass 1200
    Mesa Boogie Basis M-2000
    Warwick Pro Tube IV
    EA iAMP 800

    This is somewhat of a disparate bunch, but hey, it's what I had on hand! I wish that I still had my AMP BH420 (or a Thunderfunk) to throw in the mix. :meh: Here's the required visual:

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    All testing was done with the Accugroove Whappo, Jr. (it was handy, and I am very familiar with this cab) and I played predominantly through my Skjold Custom 5 (my "go to" bass, and the instrument with which I am the most familiar). I also played a bit through my new (to me) Ritter Roya 5. My playing style is predominantly fingerstyle, and I hit the strings fairly hard. I took the picture before I played around with the amps, so don't pay attention to particular knob settings. Except where noted, I tried to set each head "flat" (maybe "normal" is a better term) for comparison purposes. I should also note that all of these heads offer sufficient tone control to enable a player to dial in a drastically different tone (or range of tones) from the "overall tone" I am describing for each amp, below.

    My observations were as follows:

    Walter Woods Ultra: This amp has fantastic headroom (1,200w into 4 ohms), and it shows. The high end is detailed and decidedly uncongested. The midrange is sweet, clear, and very articulate. The low end is full with a hint of warmth, but not sloppy - somewhat reminiscent of a good tube amp. It is hard not to gush about this amp. It sounds "beautiful", for lack of a better term. I for one do not think that the WWU is strictly a "flat" or "accurate" amp. Walter spent a lot of time dialing in the tonal characteristics of this amp, and he intended it to have a character of its own. But with that said, the tonal characteristics of the WWU never seem to get in the way of the tone of the related gear (basses, cabs, etc.), and almost universally come across as complimentary "flavoring." The fact that this little monster weighs in at just over 7 lbs is even more impressive. The only thing that I'm ever left wanting are the super tight/forceful lows that I get from the iAMP 800 - although by comparison to pretty much any other head, it has plenty of full, tight low end.

    Mesa Boogie Walkabout: This little amp has killer tone at low to moderate volumes. When you push it hard, though, the lows seem to loose focus before the mids/highs. Still, I believe this to be a very loud 300w into the Jr.'s 4 ohm load. It had more useable volume than the 400w Warwick and close to as much useable volume as the Groove Bass (though I really didn't push this issue). The Walkabout also allows for a very nice tube overdrive, if you crank the Gain and back off on the Master. On the whole, this head has a lot of midrange presence, and playing with the sometimes confusing Mid control is a must.

    Kustom Groove Bass 1200: This amp has a nicely warm (but not muddy) tone with the controls set "flat." The tone was nicely balanced, and it did a great job of balancing a full, warm tone with good clarity and articulation. In fact, I found the "flat" setting to be exceptionally nice sounding, but the Groove Bass does allow you a lot of EQ contol (though the "Sub" setting on the Bass control seemed to be voiced too deep to be very useful, IMHO). This was the least expensive head (going off new prices) in this comparison by a substantial margin, and it did show in some ways. The most obvious is that it was obviously more susceptible to either grounding issues or EMI/RFI issues. I didn't have a cheater plug on hand to test the grounding issue, but none of the other heads had a problem (and the Kustom wasn't bad, just a tad noisier than the others). Also, it was not as dynamic at lower volumes (but had good attack as you turned it up). On the whole, it just didn't feel as "crisp" as the rest. The Groove Bass could put out some substantial volume, but I didn't get the sense of limitless headroom like I get with the WWU, iAMP 800, and M-2000. Also, the Walkabout sounded closer in output than there ratings would seem to indicate. But it most definitely put out gig-worthy volume with the Jr.

    Mesa Boogie M-2000: This is probably the most potentially vexxing amp in the lineup, but in some ways, one of the most promising, too. There are two preamp sections (one "FET" preamp and one "Tube" preamp), with the ability to blend between the two. It definitely needs EQing, and it's probably the only one of the bunch that I definitely would not play with the tone controls set "flat." With some EQ-ing, though, it presents a very wide range of usable tones, from the very clean to the very overdriven (with options to footswitch between these options!). I really do like the overdriven tones coming from this amp. The tone in general is round and full, and the notes don't sustain like they do with some of the other amps. The FET side, in particular, seems to have a stronger upper midrange presence. While this amp is rated at 600w, it sounds louder to my ears, and it could push the Jr. as hard as it wanted to be pushed.

    Warwick Pro Tube IV: This is a very different head from the rest of the group. It is also two-channel setup, like the M-2000, but you cannot blend the two. In addition to the standard 12AX7 class preamp tubes, it also includes an EL-84 for "power amp" overdrive/distortion (though the amp section is all solid state). This head offers a huge variety of overdriven tones, and this seems to be its focus. It can get a very good clean tone (in truth, an exceptional clean tone, at that!), but I can't figure out how to maintain that clean tone to full volume output. Whenever I try to turn up the gain to get the volume that I want, I end up with some degree of overdrive. Maybe I need to spend more time with this amp. :confused: At any rate, it can get a very good clean tone at lower volumes, and it can also present a wide range of nice (and unique) overdriven tones.

    EA iAMP 800: Being very familiar with this head, it did not surprise me when it made the impression of not making an impression. The iAMP 800 is tonally very neutral, IME/IMHO, and as such, there isn't any one tonal characteristic that jumps out at you. But then you do notice how full, tight, and authoritative the low end sounds. This is the iAMP's forte, and I have not found another head (tube or solid state) that has the tight/full lows of the iAMP 800. The high end on the EA is not quite as bright or in your face as some other heads, though, and with Accugroove cabs, I generally like to tweak the highs up a bit on the iAMP. On the whole, the iAMP 800 is not as initially "exciting" sounding as some of the other amps (including the Thunderfunk TFB420 that I tried a while back), and its presentation is a bit more warm and smooth, but with very quick transients and excellent dynamics.

    So, at the end of the day, the Groove Bass was not my favorite head in this roundup, but I did feel that it acquitted itself very well in some pretty impressive company. For it's price, new, I am very impressed.

    Later, Tom.
     
  2. Well done Mr. B. and thanks as always.
    I am on my second TFB550 and very impressed this time around having twiddled much more with it. Still love the WWU and someday want to try the iAmp800. Right now, I'm very impressed with the TF and WWU and am currently gassin' to try some other preamps with my CA9, not that the Dem201s isn't one of my favorites of all.
     
  3. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Cheers Tom just helping comfirm my want for the Iamp









    Although I think I'd prefer a WWU :D
     
  4. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Never mind new prices, the Groove Bass is already showing up used. BassNW has two in stock right now for only $399 each.
     
  5. getz76

    getz76

    Apr 3, 2005
    Hoboken, NJ
    Brief?

    You are a lawyer! ;)
     
  6. Cheers tom, just any excuse to rub in how much gear you have isnt it :p
     
  7. I have to ask, Tom, do you eat bass gear? :)

    Where do you put all this stuff...
     
  8. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
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    To be honest, I really don't have enough room. :p
     
  9. Juneau

    Juneau

    Jul 15, 2004
    Dallas, TX.
    My storage facility (my house) is open anytime you need to offload some stuff for...um...storage Tom :)

    And I wanna see a similar shot of your bass collection hehe.
     
  10. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Once I get that Skjold Exotic Custom 4 in my hands, I think I'll try and arrange for a "group photo." :D
     
  11. Robear22

    Robear22 Supporting Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Beach Park, Ill
    Hey Tombowlus, what rack bag do you use with the Kustom? I am getting one soon and want to put it in a bag instead of a case. Thanks. :)
     
  12. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    It's a Gator 3-space soft rack bag, and I think it's pretty nice. It's fairly tight, yet comfortable, fit for the Groove Bass.

    Tom.
     
  13. thestevo

    thestevo

    Aug 12, 2004
    NJ
    Thanks for the insight Tom!

    I have been GASing for a Groovebass for a while, and Tom has been gracious enough to sell me his for a very reasonable price. I can't wait to hear this baby through my Avatar B212... :bassist:
     
  14. Robear22

    Robear22 Supporting Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Beach Park, Ill
    I have an Avatar 212 also and that is what I will be playing through it. I am getting one for a decent price also. I got the oppurtunity to play through one at a gig and fell in love with it. I will use the Groovebass with my 212 and 210/112 for the big gigs.
     
  15. FunkSlap89

    FunkSlap89

    Apr 26, 2005
    Albany, NY
    sweet reviews!

    ...btw... you have more gear than my local guitar shop... ;)
     
  16. thejohnkim

    thejohnkim

    Sep 30, 2003
    NYC
    soooooo, what poor pieces of equipment are closest to the corner???? and do you ever use them? hehehe
     
  17. ricosuave2093

    ricosuave2093

    Jun 9, 2005
    Oregon
    I only paid $469.00 new for my Groove Bass. I agree with the grounding issues but I like the amp in general. I bought it cause it was the best amp in my budget and every one was raving about it at the time. Now I am seriously considering a pre power set up. But could probably use to upgrade my bass first. :rolleyes:
     
  18. SoComSurfing

    SoComSurfing Mercedes Benz Superdome. S 127. R 22. S 12-13.

    Feb 15, 2002
    Mobile, Al
    Ok, Tom, now that's just perverse!
     
  19. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    The furthest in the corner are my old Mesa Boogie Diesel cabs, which haven't seen use in quite some time... :rollno:
     
  20. SoComSurfing

    SoComSurfing Mercedes Benz Superdome. S 127. R 22. S 12-13.

    Feb 15, 2002
    Mobile, Al

    Well if you ever decide that Powerhouse Jr needs to be with a few of its brothers, you know who to call. :D Out of curiosity, does yours have the black and white screened logo, or the brushed-metal stamped logo?