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A cab without a horn.

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by milkman-27, Oct 18, 2013.

  1. milkman-27


    Jul 4, 2009
    How much difference does a horn on a 410 cab make? I have a peavey Headliner 410 and was thinking about adding another 410. The Healiners are just 4 10" speakers and nothing else. Wondering if I should try a different 410 cab other than the Headliner,although it is cheap enough.
  2. Jheake


    Jan 21, 2010
    Gilbert az
    I have had good and bad experience with horns. Sometimes they add a nice clarity to the cab, letting all the little nuances ring out a bit. Other times they have sounded brittle and harsh. I have also noted that using distortion through horns most of the time sounds pretty undesireable.

    Some guys prefer cabs with out a horn. Also the covetted and often immitated Ampeg 810e doesnt have a horn. I think its been one of the most popular cabs of all time.
    Just some food for thought.
  3. remainthesame


    Sep 24, 2008
    Well do you like the tone youre getting now? if so just get an identical cab.
  4. milkman-27


    Jul 4, 2009
    Actually I do, very much. I just have seen so many 410's with horns in them that I thought that maybe I was missing out on something. I have a Fender Rumble 350 in my bands rehearsal space that you can turn the horn on and off and I really cannot see a difference, at least not a major one, in the sound.
  5. tjh

    tjh Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2006
    I am assuming you are talking adding a 'tweeter' here, correct? a 'horn' on a bass cab is usually a tweeter which reproduces the high frequencies (3kHz and up range, or so).

    ... just clarifying, since usually all tweeters are 'horns', but not all horns are 'tweeters' :)

    ... I generally do not care for tweeters on my bass cabs ... JMHO
  6. I dont use mine, i dont really like them. Im pretty aggressive with my playing and twweters let the clank come through.
  7. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    :eyebrow: :rollno: :meh: :confused:
  8. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    I run a 4-10 without one. And I also run two 1-15 cabs that have them, but I turn them off. I don't miss them at all.

    Also, it almost always works best to run identical cabs if you are going to run two cabs. Different cabs respond differently. There is a lot of physics involved. It might not hurt to read the "sticky" thread here in Amps.
  9. Plucky The Bassist

    Plucky The Bassist ZOMG! I'm back from the dead! Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2010
    Houston, TX
    If you were pumping in some snappy, trebly highs and wanted to make sure they got projected out, then yeah a tweeter might be a useful thing (think Marcus Miller slap tone). If you use distortion or fuzz, you might like the cab better without the horn. Some people dig it with a picked tone, but like someone already said, one of the most famous cabs of all time (ampeg 8x10) has NO tweeter/horn at all and you can get a nice bright tone from it too. If you like your Peavey, just get another one and rock on!! :bassist:
  10. StephenR


    May 21, 2009
    SF Bay Area
    I generally turn off the tweeter...
  11. chadds


    Mar 18, 2000
    The 8x10's popularity is because of its sound. That sound is not favored in every form of electric music nor is the 8x10 used by even a majority of bassists. Hence the proliferation of other cabs including the 4x10 with horn.

    To the OP, the quality of horns & crossovers differs between manufacturers. Some sound smooth while as stated above some sound quite harsh. There is a cab, the SWR Goliath that in it's versions 1-3 could sound overly bright. Dialing the tweeter to barely on and the cab was warm and full range.

    Some cabs don't sound like a hornless cab with the horn off. The crossover seems to be pulling highs or the cab design or woofer choice doesn't promote the necessary highs.

    That barely on setting can give definition to notes even in a flatwound setting.
    Some manufacturers use a cone tweeter for highs that can provide a more natural extension of the highs that's not metallic. (Not to be confused with "good for metal".) ;)
  12. tjh

    tjh Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2006
    ok, I stand corrected ... by all the snake eyes

    ...there are many different types of tweeters ... however, any of the above tweeters coupled to a flared (horn) structure are usually what we find in bass cabinet applications, which is what we are referrencing here ... better? :)

    BTW, you forgot to bold the usually in your quote ...
  13. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Tweeter off.
  14. tastybasslines

    tastybasslines Banned

    May 9, 2010
    Los Angeles, CA
    I had an Eden 4x10 cab that sounded great, AFTER I disabled the tweeter. My experience with that was brittle and harsh as someone said. 10's can already get pretty high in the mid-range and sound snappy enough to me without one.
  15. milkman-27


    Jul 4, 2009
    So, what about a horn without a cab?
  16. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    That'll be great...if you play piccolo ;)
  17. Depends on the frequency response of the horn. Horns don't have to be mounted in a cab. Or the cab can BE the horn as in BFM's plans.
  18. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    I didn't forget. :D

    Outside of the musical instrument/sound reinforcement industries, tweeters are rarely horn coupled, actually. Your statement was, perhaps, a bit too general in it's reference to tweeter designs. ;)

    I have used cabinets with tweeters/horns in them over the decades, but never felt a need for one in the tone I like. Mostly they just reproduce amplifier hiss and string noise (plus a bit of clack to the tone) given where their crossover points are usually. See, i did bold it. :D
  19. will33


    May 22, 2006
    The "horn" is a tweeter....made to play high frequencies....higher than the woofers can play on their own. Whether or not you like that or not is a matter of taste.

    There is a high frequency driver mounted on the back of that horn, and a filter to block the low frequencies from it that the woofers are playing....so it just plays the high stuff it's made to do and adds that to the response of the woofers.

    If you sent it the full signal, with the lows frequencies in it the woofers are supposed to play...it would probably explode....or if it didn't explode, it would just fall silent because it blew out.

    I had to explain this recently to my neighbor who told me he had a speaker with 2 woofers and a "bass horn". It was a pf210 cab....a pair of 10" getting the full monty with a highpassed tweeter grafted on top.

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