A Just Cause or Unprofessional?

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by cassanova, Jul 28, 2003.

  1. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000
    This Thursday will make the 4th week that Ive been jamming with an oldies band.

    I hooked up with these guys while networking at an open mic night. At the time, I thought they were pretty decent.

    When they told me they wanted to play car shows, coorporate gigs, & make the A circut list, and would be ready and booked in 8 weeks, I bought into it & agreed to give them 8 weeks to see how things go.

    What I hadnt known was the songs I sat in on were the same ones theyd been doing for 2 months.

    So far in the time we've been playing the sax player has missed 2 rehearsals. Yesterdays was because he had a headache. I simply said "thats inexcusable." The drummer has missed one. Ironically it was one with the sax player. They showed up for 30 minutes sayin his breaks went out. I suggested that we at the least work on some harminazation, but that was to no avail either.

    The other guys arent doing thier homework either. Seems like Im having to teach them what to do. You can just tell because theyre not playing the songs proporly. Leaving out certain things or just playing wrong rhythms, wrong intros and outro's (is that a legit term?) great example is tryin to do My Girl. I have to play the guitar line and the guitarist strums it very wrong. (Sorry James! :( I know James is gotta be sooooo pissed at me for that)

    I was asked last night, if I thought we were making progress, I said no, and that people need to start doing their homework.

    Ive been playing long enough to know that these guys arent going to be ready to play out anywhere at the end of 8 weeks. I know the right thing to do for my career would be to move on. But I did agree to give them 8 weeks. So a part of me thinks it'd be unprofessional to quit after only four.

    Me quitting is the right thing to do yet at the same time I feel its not the right thing to do.
  2. bill h

    bill h

    Aug 31, 2002
    small town MN
    Tell them staight up that after 8 weeks your gone. You can look for a new band now though.
  3. ConU


    Mar 5, 2003
    La Belle Province
    I'd bolt now.You were mislead.You should have seen it after the first practice though Cass.;)
  4. 20db pad

    20db pad

    Feb 11, 2003
    I been everywhere, man...
    None. At all.
    If I had a nickel for evey time I've heard this line I'd be driving a Maserati. Oddly enough, the groups really doing that stuff never promise it to new hires IME.

    I think maintaining a rep that involves being a straight shooter and a man of your word is important. IMO, it would be best to run the four weeks out and then move on. That way, if anything comes back to haunt you, you can say "I promised them eight weeks, the bird didn't fly, and I left."

    You can also use the remaining four weeks to double your efforts in finding a more serious group.
  5. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    It's as right now as it will ever be. It just gets wronger the longer you hang.
  6. If they seriously expect to keep a fine player like you in their band, then they needa get a catscan...that's just stupid that they aren't putting any effort into it and dont know the songs correctly.
  7. jimbob


    Dec 26, 2001
    Charlotte NC
    Endorsing Artist: Acoustica Mixcraft; Endorsing Artist: DR Strings
    Dump 'em and move on. If the people in the band aren't into getting the new Rhythm section up and running, they are not for you.

    Get gone and go to another open mike!
  8. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000
    You're right I should've but I didnt this time. Im usually good at weeding this type of stuff out too.

  9. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    Ever heard of the phrase "suck by association"?

    Best off to cut your losses and head for the door. If you plan on bailing at the end of the 8 week term, and there are no gigs between now and then, why bother?

    I don't look at it as you are skipping out on your obligations, they have already done so with the procrastination, and unfulfilled sugar coating that was done in the beginning.

    If you want to be truly pro about it, get them together and speak the truth to them, let them know what is on your mind. Maybe you could also offer to assist them in finding a replacement player that is a better fit for their program.

    The ball is in your hands, throw it back at them, and go home.
  10. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    Gigging corporates and A-list in 8 weeks? Most gigs like that in my area book at least 4 months in advance. Odds are they don't know what they're talking about.

    I'd be much more concerned that they can't get "My Girl" right. Great song, but its not rocket science . . .
  11. jondog


    Mar 14, 2002
    NYC metro area
    Ditto. The only bands that play those shows have been together for years. A-clubs do not book new bands for weekend nights. Ever. Around here, they use booking/management agencies who give the best $ gigs to their proven acts. If this market is your goal, the best bet is to try and find an established band whose bassist is leaving.
  12. ConU


    Mar 5, 2003
    La Belle Province
    Same here.This is the best advice your going to get Cass.
    You have no obligation to stay the 4 weeks.Tell them to call you when they have a gig:D I really would'nt worry about the rep.thing.
    Next time you'll know when somebody's shooting the ****.;)
  13. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000

    Like I said, Im usually good at picking up on the bull****. Ive done corporate gigs before, but they were sub work for me. So Im still a little bit in the dark about certain aspects of that market.

    Im also sorry if I implied they were going to book corporate gigs at the end of 8 weeks. I can see how that was implied after rereading all of this. That wasnt my intention.

    They want to start doing car shows and clubs in 8 weeks and work their way up to coorporate gigs.

    But none the less, they wont be ready to play a house party in 4 more weeks let alone a car show or club.

    Ive got my mind made up. Im gonna do rehearsal this Thursday with them, and that night tell them that I dont feel that this project is going to be ready in the time they specified and when they get it together and have booked gigs, Id be more than happy to learn the material and jump right in if the gigs meet my financial requirements.

    Im not worried about the rep thing. Talked to Muji in a pm and he gave me some really legit reasons why it'd be worse/wrong to stick it out. Much along the lines of what anbassist and a few others have said too.
  14. secretdonkey


    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Good call in bolting. It'll only get harder to quit as you go, given the healthy sense of commitment/obligation you have. Far better to bail before they get to the gigging stage. Making an exit with dates on the books is tougher. You've obviously reached that (or a similar) conclusion already, but here's some moral support...

    --> Moral Support

    :) ;)
  15. Yeah, what he said.

    Better to bail now than end up with the stink permanently attached.

    Sounds like that's your decision already, and it's the right one.
  16. Cass, they have not fulfilled their promise to you. Missing rehearsals and not doing their homework? Obviously they are kidding themselves.
    You are right, cut em loose immediately, they are wasting your time. nuff said.
  17. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000
    Well I told them last night (Sunday) that I wanted out of the band. Henry wasnt too happy about it.

    Of course he tried talkin me into staying. He told me that they picked up a really good keyboardist on Thursday night and he'd be ready to play with the band in 3 weeks.

    I was polite, and told him that would put us at the 7 week mark, there would just be no way even with him that we'd be ready to play out in 8 weeks.

    I also then told him that Id be more than willing to play with them once they compiled a song list and got it down, as well as obtained gigs then Id be willing to jump back in.

    He couldnt fathom this idea. He asked how would I get the starts and stops right if I wasnt there from the get go. So I explained to him how. He still said I wouldnt be able to. SO I ended it all and said if you really want me like you say you do, then get all that stuff worked out and then Ill be more than happy to join again.

    Funny thing was as soon as I quit I heard Himey bashing me to Chad & Kim (the host of open jam) Chad even told me I did the right thing cause he knows they aint gonna go anywhere.

    I cant help but question my decicion even though I know I made the right choice.

    On a side note the cheap bastid wants the cd's he burned for me back. Ive been in many bands and none of them ever asked for that stuff back. I seriously doubt Im gonna give them back. After all they were after all a gift to me. ;)
  18. Cass, you did the right thing. Chad reinforces this. Keep the CDs. He can burn more for the next guy they try to sucker in. Remember as soon as one door closes another opens. Even though Henry was slagging you, always take the high road. If someone asks you what happened, just smile and say it was interesting but it didn't work out. If its another potential bassist, you might fill them in a little further.
  19. thrash_jazz


    Jan 11, 2002
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Artist: JAF Basses, Circle K Strings
    Good call Cass.

    Doesn't seem to be much need to question the decision...

    First off, their comments on the starts and stops shows how little experience they have.

    Second, if they're ripping on you for leaving, you're better off without them anyway. That is pretty lame.

    Third, asking for the CD back? Kinda stoopid if y'ask me but if that might help smooth things over, why not?
  20. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000

    Im not too worried about things being smoothed over. Chad was tellin me they aint gonna go anywhere, my brother whos a very talented musician passed them by for the same reason, and quite a few of the better musicians there have all said they have no future in this buisiness, so the cd's are going to be my compensation for 4 weeks of dealing with them.