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A Public Service Announcement

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by nutdog, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. nutdog

    nutdog when I'm a good dog they sometimes throw me a bone

    Feb 19, 2009
    in the dog house
    My company manufactures and sells chemicals. I recently provided a product that I don't usually sell to a company, but they needed it, they're a good customer and they asked for it so I provided it at no cost.

    A few weeks later a get a call from an angry person in the environmental department that was very upset because I had furnished a product that was not on the approved product list. They needed an MSDS immediately.

    The product? A bag of gravel. I told them I didn't think there was an MSDS for gravel, but to my surprise, they do exist, and also for sand.

    What I didn't know is sand is very hazardous. Then it occurred to me that millions of people come into contact with sand and gravel everyday and don't know about the hazards.

    You see, silica dissolves readily in hydrofluoric acid producing a corrosive gas – silicon tetrafluoride. So, next time you're at the beach, please, please, please, don't bring that bottle of hydrofluoric acid.

    Please forward this info to as many people as possible. Lives are at stake. And next time you see an environmental engineer, say thanks.:)
  2. Jonyak


    Oct 2, 2007
    Ottawa, Ont
    Lol, the msds guys can get pretty hardcore sometimes.

    I believe we have msds for distilled water we have at the lab.
  3. eyeballkid


    Jul 19, 2009
  4. Phalex

    Phalex Semper Gumby Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    G.R. MI
    Lemme guess.....

    Low flammability and high inhalation toxicity?

    What do you flush your eyes with if you should get some water splashed in your face?
  5. Jonyak


    Oct 2, 2007
    Ottawa, Ont
    may cause wrist strain in males.... :eek::p
  6. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Having dealt with MSDS in the military, I can really appreciate this.

    Did you know valve oil is a hazardous substance?
  7. Jonyak


    Oct 2, 2007
    Ottawa, Ont
    We have a saline eyewash station, and guess what, we also have an msds for it. :bag:

    We do deal with some chemicals that can be dangerous as well though.
  8. Yup, have to deal with a pile of those on a regular basis, they are a bit OTT.

    However, I'll remember not to take any HF to the beach with me!
  9. Bting


    Dec 2, 2008

    Thanks man, your a life saver.

    My wife and I are going on a trip to stay in a Beachside cabana for 2 weeks in belize and I'm laying out stuff to pack.

    The old suitcase is getting pretty full, and I was trying to decide between HydrFluoric acid and a set of snorkle gear.

    I guess Ill take the fins. ;)

    Sheesh that is crazy. Talk about OCD, and needing to see all i's dotted and t's crossed before you can sleep at night. :rollno:
  10. This is what our society has come to, there has to be a warning label or a MSDS for everything, thanks to battalions of lawyers out there. There's probably a MSDS for the air we breathe!
  11. Floyd Eye

    Floyd Eye Banned

    Feb 21, 2010
    St. Louis
    There probably should be.
  12. Phalex

    Phalex Semper Gumby Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    G.R. MI
    Oxygen is an oxidizer you know.........
  13. PSPookie


    Aug 13, 2006
    Ocoee, TN
    No, but hydraulic fluid will mess you up.
  14. burk48237

    burk48237 Supporting Member

    Nov 22, 2004
    Oak Park, MI
    Yeah, I've cut down, I use to drink it regularly. But thanks to an MSDS I now know that Hydraulic fluid mixed with anti-freeze is not a good substitute for Soda water.:D

    The sad thing about this is how many jobs and how much productivity this kind of stuff cost the American people. I started a part time retail job last fall. The only chemical of any consequence I handle is securely packaged gun powder for reloading. But I had to take six hours of classes on proceeders for handling hazardous chemicals. While the knowledge was nice to have that's half a weeks payroll for me on that job doing something unrelated to my job just to please the Lawyers.

    Every-time, you buy something or get lousy service at a big retail store just remember that you're paying for hazardous chemical training for the staff and the accompanying paperwork compliance. All those costs are passed on to consumers.
  15. Not that way over here, thankfully! The only safety stuff I've had to do is for working with lasers, handling large gas cylinders (basically manual handling and how not to blow yourself up) and working with HF.

    For anything else, you need to have an up to date risk assessment form and the related MSDS, COSHH forms stored in the workspace and read over. Certainly no need to go on courses for it. And we have a fairly large folder of hazard forms!
  16. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY

    I'm pretty sure that those big retail companies can take the hit at 4 hours x barely minimum wage to train their employees not to drink Windex although it is an attractive blue color, and that its not really effecting their retail floor hours.

    I've worked management at one of those places and none of the part time or full time retail employees are trained in that stuff anyway, since all cleaning duties are subcontracted to a company that employs other barely minimum wage employees that have gone through the half day training.
  17. Sketchy


    Jul 15, 2010
    Bristol, UK
    Had to do a risk assessment form for final year university project...

    Admittedly though, a 50kg, 30m long pendulum could cause a lot of damage if it breaks...
  18. I use dirt, or if at the cabinet shop, sawdust. Ideally something semi-toxic, to counteract water's inherent mildness. :)

  19. Was your final year project to make a really big clock? :D

    Our ones are to reduce fires, blinding and cancers, we have some awesome warning stickers on the lab doors!
  20. nutdog

    nutdog when I'm a good dog they sometimes throw me a bone

    Feb 19, 2009
    in the dog house
    There are a few hazards that aren't mentioned:

    • Contact with high velocity airborne gravel
    • High pressure foot contact with gravel
    • Bare skin contact with sand exposed to large quantities of solar radiation
    • Contact with sand during carnal activities (and reactivity in the presence of saline solutions)

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