A sticky about Modes?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Groove Master, Dec 16, 2016.

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  1. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    I think for the benefit of TB members and the forum, it is time to have an official sticky on Modes I think.

    For those who do participate at any threads about them must understand the frustration I have on everyone of them because of the tone of the discussions AND the amount of wrong informations that gets around.

    So I am willing to participate with others members at putting together an official sticky on the subject.

    What do you think?

    Sylvain Bolduc
    author and pro bass player
     
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  2. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    I'd love to participate in writing the sticky!

    I disagree that the threads are frustrating. Music theory topics are my favorite discussions on talkbass. I find them fascinating reading, and it really helps me as a teacher to see how different people can approach the same theoretical concepts from different angles.

    I'd encourage people who don't enjoy the theory/mode topics to simply not participate in them. It's frustrating for me to sift through all the "here we go again with the modes!" posts to get to the good stuff. :)
     
  3. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    To the mods:
    Is it possible to put this in GI? My mistake...
     
  4. fearceol

    fearceol

    Nov 14, 2006
    Ireland
    Whether they are frustrating or not would depend on why a person is interested in a modes thread in the first place. For someone asking a simple question (like the most recent thread), it can be a bit frustrating when contradictory answers/opinions are given, and the whole thread develops into a point scoring (and sometimes personal insults) exercise between the "experts", with the unfortunate OP, and other less well up, people caught in the middle.

    I am not well up enough on modes to participate, but would welcome a "...simple as possible, with no point scoring debates" sticky on the subject, as it does come up often.

    Having said the above, I think Bassey Bill's thread on the subject is quite good.

    Bassy Bill's Beginners' Basic guide to scales and modes
     
  5. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    That raises an interesting question: Do TalkBass threads exist only for the benefit of the original poster (OP)? Or, do the discussions take on a life of their own that has value for all participants?
     
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  6. fearceol

    fearceol

    Nov 14, 2006
    Ireland
    IMO it can be beneficial to all, if the discussion takes on a life of it's own. However, sometimes a complete novice to modes, may ask a fundamental question, which in turn may lead to a multi page thread (like most modes threads I have seen). While many people may benefit, I think the OP (and his basic question) should be kept in mind at all times.
     
  7. Sylvain, welcome your efforts, one is needed, however, good luck with the limited space available on a TB post.
    What modes are can be answered in a page or two. How to use them, takes many pages... and we end up with what we have now.

    As I said earlier; good luck.
     
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  8. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

    i agree: and for some: one approach might suit and individual better than a different (but equal) take. a sticky could be helpful to those wanting both 'basic' and 'advanced' information. :thumbsup:
     
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  9. I understand modes differently from most people... three decades of jazz will do that.

    I really dislike the way modes are taught. You need to be able to hear them. It's much more fluid than you read on here.... but hey, you've gotta learn the rules before you can break the rules.

    I voted yes, but only if people are OK with moderators editing out errors and silliness. A sticky needs to be informative and concise.
     
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  10. Clef_de_fa

    Clef_de_fa Guest

    Dec 25, 2011
    I welcom the true informations.

    I hope one day that the information will be solid just like the information is the same from any English teachers.
     
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  11. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    It would be a great travesty to this site if the amount of music theory conversations were reduced. I worry a sticky would reduce those threads.
     
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  12. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    Modes are modes and they are what they are. It doesn't matter if you come from a jazz, pop, rock, blues, classical or folk background.

    And to answer your question, I hope we can put together a document that will be an official sticky to the General Information forum.
     
  13. joebar

    joebar

    Jan 10, 2010
    what mushroo said ^
     
  14. BusyFingers

    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016
    But what if the sticky is wrong?
     
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  15. matante

    matante

    Nov 3, 2003
    I have yet to find a situation where understanding of modes was necessary to perform or compose good music.

    Modes are useful in analyzing/describing music after the fact, dissecting something that's already composed.

    The danger is that people learn about them and then try to use them in constructing basslines, solos, and it comes out very mechanical, cheesy wankery.

    IMO, YMMV, and all that...
     
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  16. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    It won't be, just like any sticky here.

    That is why I would like that many members could get involved in the making of....Even if I know I can build one on my own
     
  17. BusyFingers

    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016
    But there seems to be a massive difference between the way people think they should be taught. Frankly, from what I've seen, to just learn a bunch of scales and their names is useless.

    I actually know the sounds of the major scale well enough I can find each successive scale up the neck by my ear.

    My question is: What good is that?

    In other words, how can one understand the modes in a meaningful way to apply it to making themselves better musically and technically on the bass?

    There is a difference between knowing and understanding, is what I mean, and it seems like a lot of people want to tell share the knowledge of modes, but are not able to explain how to understand them to enhance one's playing musically.
     
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  18. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    I think your missing the point of the use of modes in the making of music and basslines. Very useful.

    The goal of the sticky is not to determine how to teach modes.
     
  19. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    May 24, 2006
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    It would make far more sense to do something like that as a wiki article rather than a forum thread.

    TB already has a wiki installed. And it's open for members to add articles.

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  20. Jloch86

    Jloch86

    Aug 1, 2016
    The subject of modes is sticky enough.
     
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