Aaaaaarrrrgh! My guitarist is an idiot!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Hategear, Sep 28, 2001.

  1. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    :mad: Now he wants me to play some of his lead guitar parts -- "cuz they're too hard!" :mad:

    I can't stand it anymore! :mad:
  2. jazzbo


    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Music really should be fun. Play with people who challenge you. People who are on the same page musically. Play with people you can communicate with. Inner-band conflicts can frustrate you to the point of stifling your creativity or performance.
  3. Matthew Bryson

    Matthew Bryson Guest

    Jul 30, 2001
    maybe I can't really speak to this as I have never been in a band, but I would think that if you don't want to play something - don't play it and if someone makes you play stuff you don't want to play - don't play with them (especially if it makes your face all red and frowny as seen on you post) ...really it seems to me that if your band experience / band mates make you so upset, take a big step back and decide if all the chicks you pull from being in the band are worth putting up with the band.
  4. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but have you tried taking a deep breath and reading the first sentence of your signature?

    And I know that this probably sounds like the boy who cried wolf when I say this, but I'm NOT trying to be funny or sarcastic here. He's not you, and he's no reflection on you. If he's making you crazy, find another guitarist.

    Good luck.

  5. Bass Guitar

    Bass Guitar Supporting Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    Tell him that you would only do the lead guitar parts on your bass through some distortion. This way you get more bass solo time, and that's always a good thing.

    Alternatively, change bands.
  6. You are just finding out that guitar players are dumb? Wow you must be young.

    So are you saying that he wants you to play some of the guitar solos on your bass?

    If so what is the problem.
  7. RHCFlea


    Jun 16, 2001
    Washington DC
    yeah the almighty/allhorrible (which one do you think I agree with) flea played some great lead guitar renditions on bass.
  8. In my band, my guitarist wants me to play certain things, and they are really hard. He has far more experience and so i get him to sit down with me and he teaches me the parts. After that i can modify them to my own style.

    For example, a few of the fills leading up to his solos i never really learnt, just ad libbed. So he came round to my house and for like 3 hours he gave me a glorified guitar lesson. It was good, i learnt so much.

    The harder something is, the more of a challenge.

  9. I don't have any complants about my guitarist. I think he is a rare breed. At our first pratice i was realy messed up and couldn't play anything. He came up to me after to make shure i could actualy play and said the bass is the most important instrument in a band. I think hes a bass player on the inside.
  10. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I am going to address as many of your replies as I can:

    No, I am not young -- I am 27 and have been in a band for about 4 or 5 of the seven years that I have been playing. Part of my income comes from the band that I am currently in.

    No, I am not just now finding out that my guitarist is an idiot, it's just becoming increasingly intolerable.

    No, I don't mind playing lead guitar stuff on my bass -- except for the fact that if I have to play the bass parts and the guitar solos, why the hell do we even need a guitar player? Also, it boggles my mind that no one but me (within my band, mind you) has a problem with it when my guitarist says, "Why don't you play that part since you already know it and I don't." The only reason I know the d*mn part is because I had to learn it in order to show it to his dumb a*s! How much is a lead guitarist worth when the bassist has to work out his solos for him?

    Not that I am a glory hog by any means, but I will end up playing his parts for him and he will still have half the crowd and most of the chicks over on his side screaming, "Woo hoo! Dude, you rule!"

    Lastly, it is not as easy as simply finding another band. IT IS NOT EASY TO FIND BANDS AND/OR SERIOUS MUSICIANS IN MY AREA and a move is not in the cards right now.

    I just needed to vent before I exploded. I apologize if I got any on you.
  11. Gabu


    Jan 2, 2001
    Woodland Hills, CA
    ... well, as long as you are doing the hard parts- I have a few songs I could use some help on. You don't have to move to socal. Just swing by for a visit. ;)
  12. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I made a decision this afternoon about my band, after attending our annual Octoberfest street celebration in my city and watching a "party-type" band perform for about fifteen minutes. My decision? That is what I want to do. My guitarist and drummer call it "pimping yourself," but I am too good and have been playing too long to still be where I am today.

    I have said it before in some of my posts: If you are not in a party-type cover band, you can't make it around here (where I am). The same two or three bands get all of the radio support (promos, remotes, airplay) and media attention* and the local bands are left to do their own thing. There is one bar (inside of a handful of neighboring cities and towns) that caters to original bands, but they put restrictions on those bands as well. You want to be a successful original band? Put together a list of about 35 or 40 covers and then throw in 5 of your own. If your 5 songs get over, you're a successful original band.

    Anyway, call it pimping myself, call it being a musical whore, call it a sellout, call it whatever you want -- I love seeing people out and dancing and having fun and singing along with the band and I am going to concentrate my efforts on finding or assembling a band with the same goals and ideas as mine, even if it takes me another seven years. Eventually I do want to concentrate on my own original songs, but in the meantime, I want to have fun and be gigging regularly. Plus, the original songs I have written aren't fitting into what my current band wants to do, because they are not all "doom and gloom," they are actually somewhat "musical" (even though we are a cover band called Brass Munkey, everyone insists on being as dark as possible).

  13. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    So playing covers is "pimping yourself." Well, I been a pimp now for the last seven years, and five years back in the 80's, and I wouldn't dream of having to cater to some wanna-be songwriter's crappy songs to avoid being a pimp. I'm just in it to entertain people, and people want to hear the songs they like. They don't go out to hear mediocre original music. If they want to hear mediocre music, they at least want it to be popular.
  14. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I agree with you munj -- I didn't say I thought being in a cover band and especially catering to the audience was pimping myself, that's what the rest of my band thinks. They want to play covers, but they don't want to play the covers that the audience wants to hear. Rather than take an original song and put our own spin on it, they would prefer to do what I call covers of covers (example: Creed's version of "I'm Eighteen" or MM's version of "Surrender"). IMO, there is a proven formula for being successful in a cover band and at this stage in my "career," there is no excuse for a band that has been around as long as we have and doing what we do, not being more popular than we are.
  15. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    UPDATE: I have put together an ad and a possible set-list, in order to pursue starting a "party-type" band. In the week since my ad went up, I have had one call from a guy that "really wants to start a heavy metal cover band" and one guy that says, "When I walk into a room or a restaurant, everyone tells me I look like Brad Pitt."

    I guess I'm in for a long, bumpy ride. :rolleyes:
  16. Gabu


    Jan 2, 2001
    Woodland Hills, CA
    Hire them both and name the group, "HEAVY PITT"!
  17. BWB


    Aug 30, 2000
    Knoxville TN

    Don't stick with band situations that piss you off.


    If you love playing the bass, why limit yourself to
    situations that piss you off.


    Two axioms in one day, wow!


  18. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Today I heard through a rival band that I have been fired from my current band (actually, I heard that they are looking for a replacement -- I haven't been outright fired). If this isn't the absolute sh*ts! Yeah, the guys I am with suck and will never, ever be more than a piss-poor cover band, but to be fired because I want to do more than we're currently doing? And to find out I am fired through another band's singer? Damn I'm mad!

    Well, I guess I can pursue my new band without any fear of repercussions. I've got an interested drummer and an interested singer. Now, if I could just find a decent guitarist...
  19. beermonkey


    Sep 26, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    Call me a selfish, self-absorbed bastard.. but I personally like to play with players that are BETTER than me. At the very least the drummer that I play with should be my equal or BETTER than me. From my experience, when playing with musicians that are way better than I am, I personally have: more fun, play better, the band sounds good. I don't know what exactly it is, but when I play with a group of musicians that make me look like a f*%king idiot, I play a lot better. It allows me to strech out and dig on all that. If your guitar player smokes knob, find a new band or fire his ass. It's not personal, it's music baby. If you're frustrated when playing, you're not having fun; and thus you have defeated the ultimate purpose of music... HAVE FUN.

    I'd suggest just getting really drunk, but that shiz-ha-ha will wear on you in the long run and make you look like the dufus.. not him.

    I see a new guitarist in your future.
  20. beermonkey


    Sep 26, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    That's not entirely true... at least if you are old enough to have been in a really long term relationship (4+ years) with someone you really loved. Life sucks a big fat one sometimes. Sometimes it's never that good again.

    I no longer believe in love, it's simply there to take your soul and crush it into a million little tiny pieces.