ACME cab rebuild

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by james condino, Dec 18, 2014.

  1. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    It seems like I call up Andy regularly and take up a lot of his time, so I'll ask here first. I have a chance to pick up a dead ACME B1 cab- unloaded with no guts and a working series II B2 for less than I can buy another B1. The B2 is 4 ohm. Can I pull the guts out of the B2, minus one of the 10" speakers, and use the rest to build up a functional 8 ohm B1? I have another funtional 8 ohm B1 and I like a pair of them better than a single B2.

    Feel free to correct any logic errors, but I have the idea in my head that I may be able to take out one of the 10s and then create an 8 ohm B1 out of the combined dregs and I'll have an spare 10" for the day when I get a little too excited and blow a cab. The seven years I spent in engineering school didn't seem to offer a bit of useful practical skills for something like this. The big B2 does not really work for me like a pair of the B1s and they a lot easier to move around. I've been advertising all over the place for 13 months looking for another used B1 with not a single response, and this option came up before I go ahead and order a new one from Andy. Has anyone here actually taken apart their ACMEs and tried something like this? I already know it would be a lot cooler if I sold the B2 to one of you and got a wall of B4s, but that's not really what I'm asking.... Thanks for the help!

    j.
     
  2. bobcruz

    bobcruz

    Mar 10, 2004
    CA
    Depends on the design of the crossover in B1 vs. B2. If the woofers run full range in both cabs (no low pass filter) then you can use the crossover and drivers from the B2 to create a B1 plus a spare woofer. If there is a low pass filter on the woofers, you're out of luck.
     
  3. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    True that. All the more reason to just ask Andy! [​IMG]
     
  4. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    There's no electrical low pass filter on the Acme cabs, it's all done with the woofer design. So yes, your plan should work!
     
  5. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    Cool. Am I on the right track with the thought that by pulling one of the 10" woofers, the overall cab impedence will go from 4 ohms to 8?
     
  6. bobcruz

    bobcruz

    Mar 10, 2004
    CA
    Yes, the 4-ohm cab will have two 8-ohm drivers in parallel. Since the cab is used, it's best to check resistance with a multimeter to verify nothing has been swapped out. 4-ohm cabs will read about 3 ohms of DC resistance. Each 8-ohm driver will read about 5-6 ohms of DC resistance.
     
  7. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    In your place I'd just use the working B2 as it is. It's a small fairly light cabinet with a unique sound all of its own. When I play a gig I tote a pair. I feel that the B2 would be worth more than a cobbled together B1. It also seems to rub me the wrong way to destroy a functional cabinet to get a lesser one working.

    Edit: Tonight I'm using my Series II pair. :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2014
  8. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    Thanks for the information Alex, I should have known you would have taken one apart!! :)

    I've always assumed it was both a high and low pass crossover. See? We all learn a little sumpting new every day. :D
     
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  9. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    I seem to recall something about the midrange driver and tweeter being more padded on the B2 than they are on the B4, and more padded on the B1 than they are on the B2 - in order to keep the relative output of woofer(s) to mid-driver and tweeter relatively consistent from one model of cab to the next. Allegedly necessary due to the ratio of woofers to mid-drivers and tweeters differing between the cabs, i.e. 1:1 for the B1, 2:1 for the B2, and 4:1 for the B4.

    If true, this could certainly have a bearing on the outcome of a components swap from a B2 into a B1. FWIW...

    MM
     
  10. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    I've owned and gigged with ACME B1s, B2s, and flatwound 112s. My experience is that two B1s are very different than a single B2. A pair of B1s are my favorite and suite my needs best. A pair of B2s are sweet, but overkill for me. "Destroy"......that seems a bit dramatic. It's a workingman's used speaker cabinet that is still in production, not a one of a kind art piece from the Metropolitain Museum of Art that I'm tossing in the fire at Burning man.....

    Thanks for all of the positive tech information from the rest of the folks.
     
  11. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    No, I haven't taken one apart (other than taking a woofer out to change the bulb) - years ago I was asking about having a switch to take the low pass out of the crossover to give you a mid boost and Andy said there wasn't a low pass filter because he didn't like having chokes in series with woofers because of their effect on the damping factor and thus cone control and because they're a big heavy component which isn't terribly easy to secure permanently in something which will be gigged.

    I remember also discussing the padding on the mids and tweeters and I remember that the 4 ohm B2 and 8 ohm B4 have no fixed pad, 8 ohm B2 and 4 ohm B1 has about 3dB, 8 ohm B1 has another 3 dB. So with the innards of a 4 ohm B2 in a B1 you'll need to turn the L-pad knobs down. Something Andy wrote about the challenges of the crossover for the B1 bothers me though - I wonder if there's something else going on in there? One of the biggest problems with crossovers is avoiding impedance dips, especially when the phase is negative, because that's tough on amps. I know Andy had done a lot of research into the effect of back EMF and was thinking of writing a paper on it, but I guess business has got in the way of finishing that!
     
  12. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    Thanks for the fuller answer Alex. My Series II pair sang all last night. I've never played so damn loud in my life. All in all it was a great Christmas party!! :D