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acme low b low volumn ????

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by debassed one, Aug 7, 2003.


  1. debassed one

    debassed one Guest

    Jul 30, 2003
    san fran.,calif.
    Hey I'm new to talkbass, so sorry if you've beat this one to death already. I'd like to know!!! I've read website, and heard some discussion,that acme's like a lot of power- a given- but! for low volumn playing, as in house, studio, will they provide great tone, deep lows with a smaller wattage amp. Or do they need to be cranked, at all times for them to perform? Or do you need massive power for headroom and just keep master volumn set low. I'd appreciate imfo from players who have played them, and Is there anyone in san fran. currently using them locally. later
     
  2. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    They sound great at low volume with a low powered amp. They're not very efficient, hence they need a lot of power to go loud - if you don't want to go loud you won't need a lot of power. I use mine for everything from acoustic songwriting sessions through fully amped up rock band practices to loud gigs with or without PA support.

    Alex
     
  3. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    funny,

    but i've used my 1x10's as PA support! :p

    and yea, everything Alex said. IME, they make great home practicing companions. a single 1x10 does provide some surprising lows in a small package. with my wee little Clarus, its the perfect coffeehouse rig for both my acoustic and electric upright bass.

    but the pair together with at least 700 watts blasting thru them collectively does sound incredible!
     
  4. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    I've used my Low-B2s as the sole PA at a gig (or entirely improvised music in an art gallery) where we all DI'd into the board and went through them. Best sounding PA I've heard.

    Alex
     
  5. I'm using one of my B-2's as a sub for the band PA - at home it does duty as my home theater system sub. It does some serious couch shakin'!

    Oh, the other one is paired with my Berg HT112 in my rig.
     
  6. I'm running a Low B-4 and it sounds awesome at lower volumes. I'm running a DPC 1400X but at any level it sounds very clear and detailed. Everything posted above is true and correct!
     
  7. let me jump in here. so the acmes can be loud if they 're fed enough power? would 700 watts x 2 @ 4ohms be enough for (2) b2's? would they compete in a moderately loud band?
     
  8. reachjkh

    reachjkh

    Nov 21, 2002
    Lee's Summit, MO
    I'm so glad someone asked that. I've been wondering the same thing.

    I also wondered about DI'ing into a board and letting the PA be my amp using low Bs as the PA.

    good thread...now I just need to buy a couple of Acmes.
     
  9. I originally had a QSC PLX 2402 powering two 4-ohm B-2's (700W per side) before I went with a 1602 powering my Berg HT112 with a B-2. (300W and 500W respectively)

    Lack of volume was never a problem with my original setup nor is it now. Then again I do run a DI into our PA so essentially my rig is just a stage monitor. But just about every time our sound guy was/is taking me almost completely out of the PA because my stage volume gets the job done. This is in small - medium clubs as well as outside gigs.
     
  10. Lonnybass

    Lonnybass Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2000
    Minneapolis by way of Chicago
    Endorsing Artist: Pedulla Basses
    If the Acme's are fed enough power and EQ'd properly, they should hold up fine in a moderately loud band.

    I give my Low B2's almost 700 watts each (4 ohm) and haven't had a problem in hearing myself under a pair of guitarists both using Marshalls.

    I do need to mention that my Acmes are for providing stage monitoring - the audiences are covered by PA support.

    Lonnybass
     
  11. jdombrow

    jdombrow Supporting Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    Colorado Springs, CO
    I'll agree with everyone here about 700 watts per side. I used a pair of Low B2's for a while, and found it best to cut some bass and add a bit more midrange. This will help cut through the mix.

    jd
     
  12. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    everytime i read something from GPB about his B-4 and DPC1400x, i get anxious for my B-4 coming in about a week. :meh:

    but for all y'all using the B2's in a band, if you've got some loud wattaged guitar guys, i dunno how well even a pair of B2's will hold up. heard many a scary story of people popping speakers due to overexcursion.

    BUT, also, i've heard some success stories, and it seems that with some REALLY aggressive EQ'ing in the mids and trebs, you'll be able to literally approximate sounds from other cabs and cut thru the mix. but watch out for adding too much lower end, cause that's where you'll get in trouble.

    Dont use your "eyes" to EQ, but rather your ears, and you should be golden.

    strangely, i have yet to hear from any B-4 4x10 users of any volume problems. heard they're loud and proud with nary a problemo.
     
  13. debassed one

    debassed one Guest

    Jul 30, 2003
    san fran.,calif.
    Thanks for all the imfo, it helps. However, the big however, only one reponse said at low volumns with low wattage the sound was good. Are the b's
    less tonal than say mesa, swr, ampeg, or less tonal than the high price spread like epi", aquai"s, etc. I'm asking for tone value in the low end with clarity- since some reference was made listening carefully for muddiness and backing off lows. any opionons. thanks
     
  14. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    Hawaii
    The only thing I could add to what almost everybody said........Is if your in a band with guys who use blazing Marshall amps, I'd look for another cab! Great cabs.........but hard to keep up with idiot guitarist:eek:
     
  15. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    it does sound good! dont get us wrong.

    i've got my little 4 ohm Acme 1x10 with my Alessandro Basset Hound running into it, and i couldnt be happier. only gets loud enough for a quiet coffeehouse singer/songwriter gig or a small jazz trio, but Oooh, Oooh, Oooh!!! that sweet tone!

    FYI, just for kicks, on my Acoustic Image Clarus, i can approximate what it'd be like to run thru a cab that cant do 31 Hz, using the high pass knob. flipping the high pass on and off, its amazing how much meatier my Sadowsky's low B simply sounds and feels under your fingers.

    the thing is, once you've experienced an Acme blasting the fully felt fundamental of your Low B, its hard to talk about anything "low volume".

    :bassist:
     
  16. debassed one

    debassed one Guest

    Jul 30, 2003
    san fran.,calif.
    That does it. thanks- I'm looking for that sweet, coffee house, not competing with drummer and stack wackers tone, at now ear peircing volumn. but would you go for low b cabs. over epi's, or other brands for this application, if cost and weight were not a factor.
     
  17. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    well,

    if you want a flat as a pancake response in your cabs, and you love hearing that low B in all its glory, then the Acme's are for you. i've really been digging that sound, and love how the acme's give that to me.

    but if i'm doing my higher powered funk rock band, the Epi's would be my first choice. sure, the Low B isnt as big, but they sound soooo sweet! then again, i have an Acme 4x10 coming soon, so we'll see. ;)

    one more but... remember, that the Epifani 1x10 doesnt have nearly the low low end you get with the 31 Hz capable Acme 1x10, so its not gonna sound as deep or big at such a low volume that the Acme's can do.
     
  18. rockindoc

    rockindoc Daily Lama

    Jan 26, 2002
    Bonham, Tx
    350W into a single Low B2 will do nicely at home or coffeehouse. 500 to 800W... a little louder, with headroom peace of mind.

    Best of all worlds IMHO is a pair of B2s. More portable than the B4, and you have an "extra" midrange & tweeter to negate the mid/high range concerns of a single Acme cab.
     
  19. debassed one

    debassed one Guest

    Jul 30, 2003
    san fran.,calif.
    O>K>!!!! How do the aceme lowb's compare with the avatar bass cabinets. Tonwise, not price, or power thirst wise.
     
  20. debassed one

    debassed one Guest

    Jul 30, 2003
    san fran.,calif.
    Imagine my genie in a bottle, just imformed me, I can have any, speaker cabinets- I choose. As well as, the hugh power sinks, of any amp- I choose. and the hugh muscles of a fulltime slave roadie to carry them. And I'm still foolishly going to play in small venues without marshal stacks or 21 picece drumkits. and the audiance is autually going to listen to the tone, range,claried of my playing (given I can play and have a good bass and other gear.) which cabinets would I choose- lowb's
    avatars, etc. what would you choose