Acoustic guitar recorded across 2 channels? (Neil Young 1979)

Discussion in 'Recording Gear and Equipment [BG]' started by ElectroVibe, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    When I listen to this song (Neil Young "Thrasher") on headphones the acoustic guitar has a very full sound. But it sounds like one channel has higher strings and the other has the lower.

    Is anyone familiar with this type of recording process? How was it physically done? Thanks for any information.

    (Sorry if this clip doesn't have the stereo sound, but I think it should be there.)

     
  2. elgecko

    elgecko

    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    One of Neil's best. Could it possibly be the same guitar track EQed differently in each channel? Stereo 12 string guitar maybe (do those even exist)?
     
  3. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
  4. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    You can hear a clear distinction between the high strings on one channel and the low on the other. No leakage (or very minimal if any.)

    When I heard it in stereo at first I thought it might be two guitar tracks. But on my computer speakers it just sounds like a simple guitar.

    Whatever the method, I think it gives it a great full sound for the guitar.
     
  5. bcamp

    bcamp Supporting Member

    Jul 9, 2013
    Colorado
    Fully expect that there's a small diaphragm condenser 6" - 12" from the 12th fret and a large diaphragm condenser 6" - 12" from the bridge. Each mike goes to a different channel and are EQ'ed as needed.
     
  6. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    It must be an EQ thing then. Can you guys think of any other examples of songs where the acoustic guitar was recorded the same way?
     
  7. derrico1

    derrico1 Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2005
    Charlottesville, VA
    One old-timer's studio gambit is to overdub a second acoustic guitar track, after restringing the guitar with just the upper octave strings from a 12-string set.

    The approach also works, BTW, as a lone acoustic track when you just want the "air" of the acoustic guitar w/o muddying up the song's midrange.
     
  8. Jeremy James

    Jeremy James

    Jul 5, 2013
    derrico1 is right I think.

    It's called Nashville tuning and is used in country a lot. Replace the EAD strings with higher gauge strings tuned an octave higher. Usually with a 160Hz high pass filter to cut out the lows.
     
  9. elgecko

    elgecko

    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    It sounds like one 12 string to my ears. I lean towards bcamp's explanation.
     
  10. UpperBout

    UpperBout

    May 15, 2008
    Near Chicago Illinois USA
    Webmaster, Muckelroy Basses (GetAMuck.com)
    I'm hearing 2 guitar parts:
    (left/center channel) 12 string
    (right channel) capoed 12 string, but playing only top 3 strings or so
     
  11. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    I listened to it again and I think it might be two recordings. I didn't think they would try that because I assumed Neil was kind of too "wild" a player to do that, trying to play the same thing twice.
     
  12. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    Hmm. I think you are probably right. I listened to it again just now and it just sounds like 1 guitar. I used to listen to this album every day over a period of several months during the 80's. I always heard it as one guitar.

    I can't think of a REASON that they would want to record two separate guitar parts. If the same thing can be achieved with EQ/recording, that would seem to make the most sense to do it that way.
     
  13. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    One reason it MIGHT sound like 2 guitars sometimes is due to leakage and general analog mixing (one track might even have a slight delay). In the same way that one guitar going into two amplifiers can sound like 2 parts (I've heard it done on some recording at least once), that might be sort of the same thing we are hearing on this.

    Try listening to it both ways: (1) headphones, and (2) from a single speaker or at a distance from 2 close speakers.
     
  14. bcamp

    bcamp Supporting Member

    Jul 9, 2013
    Colorado
    You can vary the width of the stereo field a lot when using a 2 mike set-up on acoustic by panning. In this case, I think they have panned each mike to the extreme edges of the field which can make an acoustic guitar sound particularly huge. I've had great success using this method when recording singer/songwriter types.