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active/passive push pull pot on a Ibanex SRX || HELP NEEDED

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by Conkal, Jun 23, 2017.


  1. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    Hello all ,
    I am a bassist that tries to modify my older bass, in order to be able to bypass the tone control, making it active/passive with a push/pull pot (I mean that when the tone control is bypassed i will get only the oassive signal from the pickups and not the active preamp)

    *I have an IBANEZ SRX300 bass which has an electronics diagram as it is shown in the picture

    *I want to install a push-pull pot like this in the VOLUME pot to turn off the tone control .
    DiMarzio - 500K Push/Pull Pot
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    I like the idea because my main bass has it (warwick corvette $$) and i would really-really like to have it on my backup ibanez.

    I have tried whatever i could and search a lot for a how-to or a schematic but could make it. the best i could achieve was to have a active/passive on off but the passive was way low with the battery on and the volume didnt change with the pot.

    Please i really need your help on this.
     

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    I'm interested in this as well, by the end of next week I'll have two SRX models & one BTB with a similar setup.
     
  3. Your post is not clear. Are you trying to wire a push/pull pot for active/passive, or are you trying to add a bypass switch for a passive tone control? (Or perhaps an active/passive switch that adds a tone control only in one of the modes?)
     
  4. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    I am trying to install a push pull pot that when on(down) the circuit of the active preamp will work , as it is done now and when the pot will be off( up ) then the active preamp circuir will be by~passed.

    Sorry about my english i may not be clear enough.
     
  5. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    It won't be possible (or rather complicated) to do with your current preamp.
    You best bet is to replace the preamp with another one that will allow active/passive switching.
    VBBT is a very common arrangement, most preamp makers are similar ones from which you can choose.
     
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  6. Why not? All the OP has to do is follow standard active/passive switch wiring. The preamp is single input, and the pots are not PCB mount, according to the original wiring diagram.

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  7. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    Giving it a better look, Line6dude is right. It is indeed PCB mounted but single input with a passive blend out of the circuit, it should be easy enough to bypass.
     
  8. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    I think it is doable . i have seen it done in some SRX basses online. Why wouldnt it be? I have already almost done it but i dont know enough to complete it.

    I remind everyone that i need to bypass the (active)preamp using the PP pot
     
  9. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    It is indeed like that. Do you know how :) ?
     
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  10. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    I have tried this but it doesnt mention the three lower rings . And while it seems to partially work there is no volume control and if i remember correctly another thing was off.

    I also tried a diagram of an onboard preamp (other than mine ) that seemed similar, it also didnt quite make it.
     
  11. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    This is all you have to do, really. Sometimes it works better to bypass the output rather than the input or both since push-pulls usually are DPDT. Do what works best, what doesn't make noise or pops at switching.
    Then you can cut the battery off the circuit but this is a bit more problematic because it WILL make loud pops that you need to manage with résistors and/or caps. passive_bypass.JPG
     
  12. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    But how could this be done with a push pull ?
     
  13. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    A push pull is a DPDT switch mounted beneath a pot. Use it like any other switch.
    series-parallel-wiring-diagram-for-4conductor-humbucker-pickups-4-638.
     
  14. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    I understand how it works but when i did try to implement this, i ended up with the volume not working.
    Any ideas?
     
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  15. levis76

    levis76 Seconds from getting ba...

    Apr 14, 2007
    Metro Detroit
    Sounds like it's time to take it to a tech. Spend the few dollars to get it wired right.
     
  16. Conkal

    Conkal

    Jun 23, 2017
    Athens, Greece
    I cant spend dollars not being in the US .:) This is a bass i have as a guinea pig. I use it to learn how to do things. I would prefer to find out how to do it than paying 20 euros for it. and it has nothing to do with the bill. It is the fun to find out and do it yourself
     
  17. RobbieK

    RobbieK

    Jun 14, 2003
    JazzAd's diagram is incorrect. You can just switch the ouput, but not the way he or she has shown. But really, a push-pull will be a double-pole switch, so you may as well use both. And true bypass will be a much better option, especially with a 500K volume pot.

    With respect, your diagram incorrect. You will have the load of the preamp output across the volume control when in passive mode. This will kill the bass's ouput. Also, you'll need to work out which wire from the preamp is the output and which is the switched earth. The battery earth is labelled, so this leaves two that go to the jack, and neither are labelled. The ouput earth will be short to "B1" and the pot casings. (You should confirm this with a multimeter.) The leftover wire - the preamp output - is the one you need. I've used "C2" for my diagram (because it is white), but it may well be "C1" that you have to use. (Just because it is black, don't assume it is automatically an earth.)

    With respect, this is also incorrect. The pop from switching the battery in and out cannot be managed with resistors or caps. It is a really bad idea to switch out the battery, unless the preamp is specifically designed (biased) for this option. And this preamp is not. (I can tell this by the way the battery is wired.)

    Here's how you should wire your bypass.

    bypass.

    The (blue) resistors are optional. Because this preamp may not have been designed for bypassing, there's a chance that there is no earth reference resistor on its input and (less likely, but possible) its ouput. If the switch pops, then add R1, a 2.2 megohm resistor where I've shown. This ties the preamp input to earth and will discharge the input coupling cap while the switch is being thrown. If it still pops with the switch, then also add R2, a 220 kiloohm resistor (which ties the ouput of the preamp to earth). Use 1/4 or 1/2 watt metal film resistors.
     
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  18. Andyman001

    Andyman001 Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2010
    Idaho
    RobbieK, you are all kinds of awesome.
     
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  19. I'd love to know what it sounds like passive @Conkal , if you could give us an update when you're finished...

    I dislike that the treble pot is right on the PCB.
    If it were to fail, I think I'd just go passive.
     
  20. Don't you also end up with tone control (boost/cut) problems?
    Passive basses use tone pots that are normally 250K to 500K.
    The two boost/cut pots here are 50K. And even if you can use them, they won't do the boost function anymore.
    Passive circuits can only cut, they cannot boost.

    If you are having trouble doing thus, it may be that it's a bit over your head.
    I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't try as a learning experience, just that the questions are basic enough that it seems you might not be ready for this yet. For instance, you seem to be having difficulty with how to convert a non push-pull switch diagram to a push-pull switch. The wiring is the same electrically even though the physical layout may be different.

    I agree that getting an active pre that is designed to be switched to passive rather than just trying to make a passive bass also work as active is the better choice.

    -edit- I agree that getting an active pre that is designed to be switched to passive rather than just trying to make an active bass also work as passive is the better choice.
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2017
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