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Advice on PA system

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Eric Cameron, Jul 2, 2003.


  1. I just helped form a Community Outreach group with my church, and the idea is too set up a stage where local bands can perform. Thi is being done in conjunction with an after-school hangout project, which is having resounding success.

    My question, is what sort of PA system would you guys use to fill a room that's 30 feet by 80 feet, with a concrete floor and one wall is made up of glass doors? Money is DEFINITELY an object, so cheap is good, but quality is also good. We want something that will get us 4 or 5 monitors (floor or in-ear will be decided later) and will be used mainly for vocals or keyboards, maybe acoustic guitars.

    I ask you guys cause many of you have experiance with USING systems like these, and know what works and what doesn't. I just sell the stuff, and usually PA systems are left to the Pro Audio department.

    Should I get 10", 12" or 15", how many, and should I get any subs? Power amp, powered mixer, or amp and mixer? Pre amp? I don't know!! Frankly, I should stop writing now, cause it's late and I'm getting tired.

    Rock on
    Eric:bassist:
     
  2. Trevorus

    Trevorus

    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    yamaha club series speakers. get yourself a poweer amp from behringer and a mixer too. They are good. Don;t like behringer speakers. The behringer amps they have out are 1400 watts. it should give you plenty of room. That's a good way to go without knowing exact figures.
     
  3. enzyme

    enzyme

    Feb 4, 2003
    Don't get Behringer stuff its really harsh in the top end and it sounds like, from your description of the room, that it will have harsh tops anyway (concrete floor and glass). I would go with JBL Eons. The grey ones. You can chain as many together as you like and they make good wedges.
     
  4. Trevorus

    Trevorus

    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    I didn't reccomend the behringer speakers. Only the power amps and mixer. Just power/price ratio is good. The Yamaha speakers sound real smooth. They are also good price. I havent tried the behringer speakers. I don't think they'd sound that great, though. But the power amps should be quite transparent. and about 320 for 1400 watts. The Behringer mixers are good rips on Mackie stuff.
     
  5. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    Are you looking to BUY a system or just HIRE it as you need it?
     
  6. Get a pair of Peavey Impulse 1015's on stands.

    Great power handling and frequency response.. will handle keys, guitars vocals with no problem.

    Peavey 2000 power amp with built in biamp crossover for the mains... plenty of headroom.

    31 band EQ for tuning the room and feedback elimination.

    4-5 monitors.. how many seperate monitor mixes do you desire? Most amps max out at 4 ohms, some at 2 ohms... figure 2 monitors per amplifier channel and you'll need a 31 band eq for each mix to assure maximum gain before feedback.

    The Peavey RQ series mixers are splendid too.

    Peavey is USA made and carries a 5 year warranty. Great dealer/service network. And, the Peavey stuff is totally DEPENDABLE.
     
  7. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio! Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa, Calif.
    Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    Decide how many mic and line inputs you need. This will help you determine what size mixer you need. Allen & Heath and Soundcraft make some low-cost mixers that work well and are reliable. Mackie makes good, versatile mixers, but they've had some reliability problems in the past that they'd addressed and corrected, but they recently shifted most, if not all, of their production to Asia; I hope they've maintained their quality in doing so.

    Speakers are the most critical aspect of the sound. You're going to have to try some out and see what works well.

    Power amps--stick with a brand with a reputation for reliability. Amplifiers are the most highly stressed components in the system, and not all brands take that fact as seriously as others.

    If you want to save money, you're generally better off buying good stuff used than lousy stuff new.
     
  8. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    A & H are actually not that cheap. But they are indeed very good.

    Yes I wonder, wonder which German owned, Asian made copy cat is responsible for forcing other manufacturers to take such desperate measures and cut corners to survive?

    Can I ask a question. Is it possible to buy "Phonic" PA gear in the US?
     
  9. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio! Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa, Calif.
    Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    A&H has a line that is aimed at the Mackie market. It seems priced slightly higher, but I've never heard anything detrimental said about them.

    Yes, but not many sellers carry it. I don't know much about their wares, but I did find some specs that were identical--even down to the weights--as some competitor's products.
     
  10. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    Thanks Bob.

    The reason I ask is because my new job requires me to sell the stuff to retailers her in Australia (also MM/Ernie Ball and a few other brands). I'm currently going through their catalog and I think this stuff will be easy to sell. The specs, as you say look good and the prices are very reasonable.

    The battle is going to be acceptance of a fully Asian brand.
     
  11. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    Hang on - you're not saying the specs look good. You're saying they're also copy-cats.......