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Aguilar GS212 versus Eden 410XLT

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by tmu, Apr 30, 2004.

  1. tmu


    Mar 14, 2004
    I currently have a 4 ohm Eden 410XLT that I have been considering trading for an Aguilar GS212 (4 ohm). will this put out similar volume? Which do you think is a better combination with a p-bass and a Mesa M-Pulse 360?
  2. Scottgun


    Jan 24, 2004
    I own a GS212 and love it and I have every reason to give the fanboy response of "Of course trade it in!" But here I don't see why. What isn't the Eden (which from the specs look very nice) doing that you think the Aggie will? I could understand if you wanted something less expensive ($999 vs. $669) or more portable as the Aggie is about 30 pounds lighter. The Eden is rated at 700 Watts and the Aggie at 600, so Eden has a slight edge there, but with an M-pulse 360 it should be fine.

  3. tmu


    Mar 14, 2004
    I have heard that the aggies sound especially good with the Mesa, plus it is 30 pounds lighter...
  4. tmu


    Mar 14, 2004
    anyone have any more advice?
  5. Transverz

    Transverz believer of the Low End Theory

    May 3, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Wouldn't the 4x10s (most likely) have more punch and volume while the 2x12s will (theoretically) have a bit less punch and less volume but provide the longer throw for lower notes plus "boom" more?

    I guess what I'm saying is, are you saying that the Eden 4x10s sound similar to the Aguilar GS212? If so, then man, maybe I really should go with a 1x12 + 2x10 stack, instead of my 4x10. If not similar sounding, then maybe it all depends on what kind of stuff you are using it for... Just my thoughts...

    -T :D
  6. MikeBass

    MikeBass Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2003
    Royal, Oak, MI.
    If you look at the speaker area of the 212 vs the 410, your losing around 30% of surface with the 212.
    I haven't looked at the specs of either cab side by side, but if they spec out about the same, the 410 should be louder than the 212 at the same setting.
    I don't want to get to deep with this, just a quick comment.
    410= 314 sq in.
    212= 226.2 sq in.
    A difference of 1db either way (+ or -) in either of the cabs would make a major difference in volume and the like. But there are other major factors involved as well like box tuning, frequency response ect.

    Just a side note. I've read quite a few posts about using a pair of Aguilar GS112 cabs and getting much better results than the Aguilar 212 sound/volume wise. I used to have a pair and let me tell ya, they slam pretty hard.
  7. tmu


    Mar 14, 2004
    thanks guys... decisions....
  8. Stay put. Your 410 kills. GAS is just getting to you.
  9. MascisMan


    Nov 21, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    Get the GS212 and stack the Eden on top, then grab hold and let her fly
  10. Transverz

    Transverz believer of the Low End Theory

    May 3, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Seriously quick question: Is figuring out the surface area of a 2x10 or 1x12 as simple as halfing those figures? If not, what is surface area of a 2x10 or 1x12? (Sorry, I don't have the formula or I'd do it myself :confused: )

    SQQ part 2: What is surface area of a 1x15?

    Just curious... :ninja:

  11. tmu


    Mar 14, 2004
    TO calculate surface area, square the radius (ie 12"/2=6), and multiply it by pi (3.14159...)...
  12. Dave Siff

    Dave Siff Supporting Member

    I had an Eden 4x10 a few years ago and ditched it for an Aguilar 2x12. The 2x12 didn't cut the mustard by itself. It wasn't quite as loud, and it definitely lacked the punch and cut of the 4x10. I ended up with a 2x10 + 2x12 stack, which I really liked. But if you're going to stick with one cabinet, keep the 4x10.
  13. MikeBass

    MikeBass Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2003
    Royal, Oak, MI.

    Yup, just divide in half.
    A 1x15 is 176.7 sq in.
    I look at it like this (and others may disagree or not) but a 1x15, 4x10, 2x10 or what ever can only move so much air for the most part. From there it's how your box is tuned (as well as the specs of the speaker). So a quick glance would tell you a 2x12 won't move as much air, thus not quite as loud.
    Yes other factors are involved but just a quick glance......
  14. Lockout


    Dec 24, 2002
    Did you sell your Aggie GS210 + GS212 stack? I just noticed that it was listed under "Previously owned gear" in your profile.

    Also, tmu.. I own a GS212 and I agree with the above comments... it's a great-sounding cab, but it doesn't cut through the mix quite as well as a 2x10 or a 4x10.
  15. Dave Siff

    Dave Siff Supporting Member

    Yep, sold both cabs to Zongeek from right here on the board. Had to raise some cash after I made an impulse buy on a bass. I'm not missing that big stack.. my SWR WM15 combo is plenty.
  16. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    As I understand it, it takes 3db to get a perceived volume increase and 6db to get a perceived volume double, 1db will not be noticeable. Also doesn't it take doubling your power to get a 3 db increase as well as having to 10x your power to get a 6 db increase? Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't see 1 db making any perceivable difference.

    I would say stick with your 410 xlt, more cone area, 106db efficiency, great frequency response, punchy, 700 watts rms, all around great cab.

  17. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    Eden 410 XLT
    106DB SPL @ 1w 1m
    700 Watts RMS - 8 or 4 Ohm models available
    +/- 2db 50hz to 13khz -6db @ 31hz
    Cone area: 314 inches squared

    Aguilar GS 212
    103 dB @ 1W 1M
    600 watts - 4 or 8 ohms
    41 Hz to 16 kHz
    Cone area: 226.2 inches squared

    The Eden is 3db more efficient then the Aguilar, and has more cone area, stick witht he Eden.
  18. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Terrific Twister

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    Stick with the Eden bro. Aguilar makes some killer gear, but the Eden will sound better in this application. You will definitely notice since you are used to the Eden.