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Airline Wirless?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by HeavyDuty, Oct 5, 2001.


  1. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    This wireless system is really intriguing, but the published specs state the bottom end is 50 Hz. Anyone out there that's actually tried one with a bass?

    I emailed them today, and was told they have no plans to offer a bass version or to change the freq response of the existing models.

    The idea of dumping the manpack is great!

    http://www.samsontech.com/wireless/airline-ag1.html
     
  2. And yet most of their adds show one pluged into a Bass.

    You can have the guts of a wireless embedded into your control cavity if you want to go super wireless.

    Telex is my fav for bass wireless
     
  3. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    ooh... super wireless
     


  4. sounds interesting....could you hook us up with a URL?
     
  5. I'll see what I can find. Its really a matter of physical size. Most pre-amp cavities are deeper than they need to be and almost always have a 9 volt source, so you take the covers off the wireless, get rid of the input jack. clip off any extra circut board that isn't being used and hard wire the bass input jack to the input of the wireless. I would recomend having an on off switch somewhere. The one I did I mounted a flush mount switch on the service plate so that its out of the way but still accessable. I never roamed to far from my amp so I just left the antenna in the cavity, but you could have it hang outside if you need more room.


    If you try it Remember to shield EVERYTHING. You basically have a small radio and a very small power amp in close proximity. Aguilar pre amps help because of their smaller design, but use 18 volts so you need either a seperate battery. or a small circuit to drop the voltage.

    I wouldn't do it to your high end bass by yourself but I bet a good custom shop would do it. I have seen a lot of pro rigs set up that way with mutiple basses all carrying the same transmitter.


    Anyone that wants me to do one let me know but I would have to look at the bass and the wireless before I could commit to doing it.

    I'll see if I can find some web links
     
  6. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    I LOVE that idea of putting the pack inside the bass. Now, why isnt it always done that way?
     
  7. Because Bass makers don't make wirelesses. And wireless companies don't make basses.

    There was a pro rig write up in Bass Player a few months ago (inside the last 6 issues) that had all of his basses done by his tech. I just moved and all my mags are in boxes but if i find it I'll post some info.

    As for URL's I cant come up with any. But I would suggest contacting your favorite tech or custom shop. Its really alot easier then you might expect, the whole key to it is the hole you put the wireless in. Some basses will require routing and a seperate cover, many shouldn't
     
  8. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    You could use the jack as both a switch and an antenna - simply have a short piece of limp insulated wire hanging off the plug as an external antenna. Unplug it, and the wireless turns off.
     
  9. Nothing is ever limp on my bass. Thank you very much! Just kidding thats a great idea. But I tried to keep the input jack around for those times when you are way from the rest of your rig, When wired in parallel you can still use the normal input. I'd like to mess with some Celluar type antenna's or maybe even a telescoping FM radio type. Or better yet a hat with some old rabbit ears on it.

    I love this idea of using the input jack as an on off switch
     
  10. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Hmmmm...if you use a stereo jack and plug, you can do both!
     
  11. Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    In the July 2001 issue of BassPlayer Stefan Lessard of Dave Matthews Band has wireless transmitters in the control cavity of all his basses.
     
  12. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    I was flipping a few older copies of Bass Player today. The BP turkeys even did a "New Products" feature on the Airline a few issues ago!

    ***? Don't they read the specs on the stuff they shill before they feature it? I'm not talking a display ad here, this was an editorial space page!

    I guess the mighty dollar speaks again...don't piss off your advertisers by mentioning a product may not be overly useful for it's advertised use.

    Grrrr.
     
  13. Bass Guitar

    Bass Guitar Supporting Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    Funny they said that, because on their home page they have a link to the page you have that says "guitar and bass players".

    http://www.samsontech.com/wireless/airline.html
     
  14. I have always wondered if manufactures pay the mag to review their products therby giving the product some endorsement by a "trusted source" This might be a good question to send to the editors.

    1) Do manufactures pay you to review their products.

    2) Why test a "Bass" wireless that only claims 50hz?
     
  15. Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    Well assuming the airline wireless actually does go down to 50hz, on a 4 string only 9hz are being cut off on the low end. There are many bass cabs out there that only go down to around 50hz anyway, so if you have one of those cabs you're not losing any of the low end by using the airline wireless.
     
  16. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Actually, that was the point of my original post. Has anyone tried an Airline with a bass? How well did it work?

    Also, any mod can feel free to correct my misspelling in the title of the thread. I missed that one!
     
  17. jasonbraatz

    jasonbraatz

    Oct 18, 2000
    Oakland, CA
    i used to have a samson series one UHF wireless that also cut off at 50hz, and i couldn't really tell i was missing anything.



    aren't all wirelesses supposed to cut off at 50hz due to FCC regulations?


    jason
     
  18. 50 hz has nothing to do with the FCC. The 50hz is the lowest sound frequency that the device claims is useable just like a speaker cabinet. The actual broadcast frequency is usually somewhere in the same band as a cordless phone.

    So that we finally start to address the original questions. I have always loved Telex, and Sampson does give a close second. Try it and see as always but to me Sampson is a good name for wireless gear and I have played with a number of wirelesses up to and including the less than 100 dollar varitey that have handled even a low B just fine. No promises when it comes to a 7 string with an F#.
     
  19. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    dont you mean Samson?

    heh heh :)