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"Alt" Chords

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by basslyon, Mar 12, 2008.


  1. basslyon

    basslyon

    Jun 24, 2007
    Melbourne, Australia
    Non fosters drinking alcoholic.
    Hey dude and dudettes,

    I got some chords charts of a drummer (yes it's strange but work with me) for a gig on sunday which involves songs i've never heard before and musos i've never played with. oh yeah

    what is a F "Alt" chord?

    thanks
     
  2. onlyclave

    onlyclave

    Oct 28, 2005
    Seattle
    "Alt" means Altered chord. It's musical shorthand for #9, b9, #5, b5. You will only see it on a dominant (ie R, 3, 5, b7) chord and it's what gives you artistic license to play whatever you want. There are no wrong notes over a dominant chord, just "alterations".

    For the Theory Patrol out there, superlocrian aka 7th mode of the harmonic minor scale is what you can technically play over an Alt chord. R, b2, b3, b4, b5, b6, b7. All of the alterations are included in that scale although some are there as enharmonic equivalents.

    Edit:
    To answer you original question, F Alt would (or could, there is no rule) be F A Cb and/or C# Eb Gb and/or G#. You would have to listen to the piano player to match what alterations he's choosing but for the most part AVOID the natural 5th and natural 9th of the chord. You will be a half step off.
     
  3. Tslicebass

    Tslicebass Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2007
    Chicago
    F alt usually refers to a chord derived from the altered scale. The altered scale is the 7th mode of the Melodic Minor scale. It contains a root, flat 2, flat 3, Natural 3, flat 5, sharp 5, flat 7. So in C that is C, Db, Eb, E, Gb, G#/Ab, Bb.
    It is common used as a alt. dominant chord. The chord can contain any combination of root, third, flat or sharp 5th, flat 7th and flat or sharp 9th.
     
  4. basslyon

    basslyon

    Jun 24, 2007
    Melbourne, Australia
    Non fosters drinking alcoholic.
    Thank you muchly.

    I hope your child will be a masculine child
     
  5. Deacon_Blues

    Deacon_Blues

    Feb 11, 2007
    Finland
    I've these chords sometimes but I never really knew what they were. Thanks for the info! :)
     
  6. PocketGroove82

    PocketGroove82

    Oct 18, 2006
    Chicago
    On the double bass side, there is a really long post with some great info from double bass guru, John Goldsby. It discusses the different ways to understand altered chords, different scale choices, and upper structures.

    Check it out! http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223705
     

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