Alternative to TI flat with more tension? / Klira Hollowbody 60's

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by Stos-Garip, May 15, 2021.

  1. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    Hello people!
    I'm reading since a long time the forums here but first post!

    I found an old hollowbody Klira bass from the 60s and I'm looking to find the perfect strings for her.
    Because of the old neck I didn't wanted to put high tension and I bought TI JF324.

    I just got the bass back from the luthier and I'm really not able to play with a pick with those...
    I will keep them some more days to see if I can deal with it but the truth is I am looking already for alternatives.

    I want something with better stiffness for pick playing but with not too much tension to be kind to the neck and thumpier than the TI's.

    I've listed the alternatives I can found around easily (France) and that fits the bass:

    Labella HHB2 (39-96)

    labella HHBB (50-100)

    Pyramid Gold (40-100)

    Pyramid Gold (45-55-75-95 ou 40-50-70-95) / ideas of custom sets

    Are those all stiffer than TI's? what about the difference between Labella and Pyramid?

    Thanks a lot!
    Christos
     
  2. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    anyone? :hyper:
     
  3. Barry Vestal

    Barry Vestal

    Nov 24, 2015
    Iowa
    While I have no experience with the sets listed, from what I've read the labella's and pyramids are generally going to have more tension than the TI's.... Hopefully someone else can chime in and help....good luck
     
  4. Aidil

    Aidil

    Dec 4, 2014
    Jkt, IDN
    Dunlop Flatwound 40-100
     
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  5. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    Thanks! Yeah I'm pretty sure that pyramid and labella have more tension but what about the differences between those two brands?

    @Aidil Are those dunlop suitable for a basse with tailpiece? (the TI for example fit perfectly) That's why Il isted those sets before, they are more of a medium scale.
     
  6. Barry Vestal

    Barry Vestal

    Nov 24, 2015
    Iowa
    Soundwise the labella's I know for a fact are nice and thumpy with full fundamental... don't know about the pyramids, but everyone I've talked to say it's the McCartney sound if that helps....I was only going on the sets you said we're available to you in France... Otherwise there's plenty more flats to choose from obviously...
     
  7. Stos-Garip:

    The La Bella for Beatle Bass, light gauge work very well. I own several Hofner bass and used to own a Klira.
    Labella HHB2 (39-96) is a very good choice. You were very luck to find a Klira hollow body bass.
     
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  8. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    @Barry Vestal Yes, to find a medium scale flat set with not a lot of tension but higher than TI is not quite easy, especially on this side of the Atlantic (no labella LTF shortscale, no Labella Fx medium scale etc..)

    @Pimpernel Smith Thanks! I was super lucky to find it! I love the look the weight and the sound!! Do you know how they compare to pyramid gold?
    Here is a picture of the bass
    IMG_20201112_124512311.jpg
     
  9. Remember that with any new set of flats, it takes about a month before they settle down to a more mature tone, which they will have for a long time.
     
  10. TI's "short scale" is 35.5" in winding length (ball end to silk). If that's the ideal length for your bass, GHS Precision Flats (45-95) in "medium scale" are exactly the same winding length at 35.5". Are they readily available where you are?

    Dunlop Flats in "medium scale" are shorter at 34" in winding length.
     
  11. J_Bass

    J_Bass Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    Porto, Portugal
    In terms of sound, you won't find anything like the TI Flats, from my experience, with:

    Fender 9050,
    Labella Deep Talkin' Flats,
    GHS Flats,
    D'Addario Chromes,
    Pyramids.

    In terms of tension, any of these strings have way more tension than TIs.

    Classic thumpy sound:
    Labella, GHS, Pyramids.

    Middle ground sound:
    Chromes.

    More "aggressive" tone, closer to TIs:
    Fender 9050.
     
  12. Fender 9050s only come in "long scale" with 37.1" winding length.
     
  13. J_Bass

    J_Bass Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    Porto, Portugal
    Sorry, I didn't notice you were talking about the shorter scale.

    I have TIs 34" on my Maruszczyk Sputnik 32" with no issues, but you have to see if it would work for you, 34" strings on shorter scales.
     
  14. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    @Pimpernel Smith Yup I know I have some Chromes on my Longhorn

    @J_Bass To say the truth I don't really look for something close to the TIs in the sound, I think I prefer a bit more oldschool.

    @michael_t This sounds great but... I just checked quickly and it seems there is nowhere to find GHS precision flat in medium scale...

    If this helps I have made the measuremens of the bass :
    the string length is 760 mm / 29,9 "
    from tailpiece to nut 855 mm / 33,7 "
    from tailpiece to E tuner 926 mm / 36,4 "
     
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  15. J_Bass

    J_Bass Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    Porto, Portugal
    I would go with Labella or GHS, then. Personal preference, of course. High tension strings, as you like, classic sound.
     
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  16. LushPuppy

    LushPuppy Supporting Member

    Feb 1, 2016
    I actually own that exact bass! I’ve had great luck with Labella 760FL on it, and it is currently really nice with TIs on it, with medium-high action (makes up for the low tension and sounds/feels great w/ a pick that way). I’d bet Dunlops would be great too, they work well on my short scale Musicmaster. I’ve had trouble with intonation using a 100 gauge E from D’addario chromes, but it could possibly have been a twisted/bad string.. otherwise I’d say those in 40-100 would be a nice step up in tension from TIs, with a similar enough sound.
     
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  17. Most "medium scale" sets are 34"-34.25" in winding length, including Dunlop, D'Addario and La Bella, so they may be just long enough, provided your measurement is to the tuner side of the nut.
     
  18. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    IME,

    With TI being the floppiest: the next one step up would be LaBella Low Tension Flats. And then Dunlop 40-100 Flats.
     
  19. Stos-Garip

    Stos-Garip

    May 15, 2021
    France
    @mikeswals And do you have any idea about the Labella HHB2 (39-96)? Less or more than Dunlops?
    Thanks!
     
  20. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    No I havent tried them