Am I wrong here!

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by VeganThump, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. VeganThump

    VeganThump

    Jun 29, 2012
    South Jersey
    I'll try to be brief.

    I answered an ad on CL for a cover band looking for a bassist. I spoke to the BL and he gave me a setlist and I told him I was going to learn about 12 songs in the list and to give me about two weeks because I was out of town on vacation for a week. He happily agreed and we kept in contact for the next two weeks, almost daily.

    We scheduled my audition for Thursday the 18th at 7pm and we spoke Wednesday night about what we would do at the audition, gear to bring etc. Admittedly, I was pretty excited about this audition and I really put a lot of effort into learning all these songs really really well. So yesterday at 1pm, 6 hours before my audition, the BL sends me a TEXT saying " thanks for keeping touch but we are going to go with someone we auditioned on Tuesday, I'll keep your number though in case it doesn't work out, best of luck". I was pretty pissed to read that and i wrote him back saying that he was very unprofessional and the decent thing to so would have been to let me audition and then make a decision, or at least have told me on Tuesday they weren't interested, not 6 hrs before my audition. He wrote me back and said he sent the same text to 5 other guys and they all said thanks and good luck and that I am the one who is unprofessional. An I in the wrong here?
     
  2. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    Borderline. Either way, he should have told you Tuesday or Wednesday.

    You wasted two weeks preparing for an audition that never happened. They found someone. Had you auditioned you'd have wasted more time.

    If the new guy doesn't work out and he contacts you again, I'd set up an audition and not show up if given the chance, no text, no nothing. Screw 'em.

    That may be childish and unprofessional, but so what.
     
  3. Pretty dopey they didn't have a decision about the Tuesday guy by Wednesday but whatcha gonna do? Kinda nutty to expect an audition after that b/s. I would have shrugged it off with "Ok, good luck!" and left it to if they came back to me to make myself no longer available.
     
  4. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Inactive

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    Way to burn your bridges. :rollno:

    After sending that note, what do you think your chances are that they will ever call you? This sort of thing happens. I got my current gig like this. We really hit it off well and they offered me the position and cancelled a couple of auditions that they had set up.
     
  5. Octaves

    Octaves

    Jun 22, 2012
    Borderline, agreed. At the very least, it's impulsive. I once did this to someone, however, didn't get them to learn the songs, but managed to telephone him... Needless to say he was very enthusiastic when I said 'if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, would you be happy if I called you back'?

    I think it's all about treating people with respect. End to the story is that guitarist I chose turned out to be unreliable and dropped out of the band 6 months later after a lot of investment and too much compromise.

    My lesson: never, and i mean, NEVER be impulsive about auditions again. Take your time to get to know people.
     
  6. HeavyJazz

    HeavyJazz Supporting Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Central Virginia
    Grab a BLT and try to be a bit more tolerant. That's how it goes sometimes... Good point above on "burning bridges" - yes, it could have been handled better, but you weren't owed an audition because you prepared. It's nobody's fault that Jaco Pastorius played before you, right?
     
  7. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    You were wrong, not to them, but to yourself. You've burned that bridge, and probably any chance of them passing your number along when their buddy's band is looking for a bass player. Or if the other guy turns out to be a meth head in a week.

    A better response would have been something like "Well, I'm disappointed I didn't get the chance to audition, but I'm glad you guys found a good fit. Keep me in mind if he doesn't work out".
     
  8. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    Bridges
    Bridges to nowhere are worthless. But the dude might call him back. Who wants to be called back by someone who treats you with disrespect?

    Owed an audition
    There was a verbal contract regarding the audtition. Nothing tangible, an audition, a chance; but, it was there, and the OP invested time in preparation, and never got what he prepared for.

    Did the BL offer the OP compensation for his time? Of course not. He's a busy man with things to do, he has a band to run. He's so busy he gangtexted a bunch of cancellations, because his time is valuable and he has no regard for others' time.

    I repeat, screw 'em.

    Imo, it's more about treating people with respect, as someone else mentioned.
     
  9. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Yep, you're wrong. It's the business. I once was literally on the way out the door, car loaded, when a BL called me and said they were going with someone they knew. I wasn't happy, but I understood.

    A player's reputation is everything within a scene, and you've done some damage to yours.
     
  10. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    What would you do if he called you again?
     
  11. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification

    Well, I'm no longer in that city, but if was I'd jump at it!
     
  12. VeganThump

    VeganThump

    Jun 29, 2012
    South Jersey
    I wouldn't even answer the phone.

    I understand the burning bridges thing and I suppose I could have handles it a little better, which is why I'm posting about it now. I guess it is "the business" so to speak, but I still think it was handled well by the BL. The thing that really annoyed me was that they auditioned the other person on Tuesday and waited until 6 hrs before my audition to tell me they were going with that person, that to me seems unprofessional. I mean it's whatever, I'm not heartbroken about it, I'll find another band, I just wanted some opinions on how this was handled on both ends, myself and the band leader.
     
  13. derrico1

    derrico1 Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2005
    Charlottesville, VA
    That's just the way some bands handle openings. The band's trying to fill the spot with someone who can cover it. Once they find someone who fits and has the skills, they're done. And since it was a CL advert, the odds of them finding a winner in the next five people to audition would have seemed low.

    Granted, it's too bad they didn't get to hear you, but once they have a good fit you can see why they might prefer not to spend 10+ hours auditioning another five players from Craigslist. That's why there's value in auditioning ASAP. Auditioning w/ 5 songs tomorrow > auditioning w/ 12 songs in 2 weeks. (The whole 12 songs thing suggests that they might not have a lot of experience auditioning players, but maybe that's just their somewhat odd preference.)

    It also would have been nice if the band had contacted you on Tuesday, but sometimes band members don't get a chance to speak frankly right after the audition and it might take a day or two for them to come to a decision. Or there might be no good reason, and they're just flakes. You could get angry, but you'll run into so many flaky musicians that it's better for your health in the long run if you just realize their behavior isn't a personal attack on you.
     
  14. jjk2007

    jjk2007 Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Austin, TX
    Yeah, that's a bummer. And who knows...they might be missing out by not having you in the band but that's the biz as they say. My current band auditioned 5 bass players total. They really thought about going with one of the guys before me but decided to do all the auditions. I ended up getting the spot and they were glad they did all the auditions. I would have been bummed if they would have cancelled mine, but I would have understood too.
     
  15. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    Really it kind of depends on what the scene's like where you live, and what you're looking to get out of playing.

    If it's not a tight knit musical community (i.e. people talk), then it's not that important. If you're just looking to play a couple weekends a month, it's not that important.

    If it's a "working pro" town like where I live, reputation is everything. Most gigs will come from referrals, and you don't want to piss off someone who's well connected, because then they bad mouth you to a few people, the hens start gossiping, and suddenly half the town thinks "unprofessional" when they hear your name. Right now there's a drummer in town who can't get a gig because he said something cocky on Facebook, someone called him on it, and drama ensued. Boom. Unemployed.
     
  16. VeganThump

    VeganThump

    Jun 29, 2012
    South Jersey
    Well certainly they are missing out because I'm quite excellent. :smug:

    I kid, I kid. I want to reiterate that I completely understand, they found a good fit and at the end of the day, they need to do what's best for their band, I just don't think they handles it well is all.
     
  17. VeganThump

    VeganThump

    Jun 29, 2012
    South Jersey
    Nah these guys are weekend warriors and definitely not pros, much like myself. They play twice a month, if that, which is exactly what I'm looking to do.
     
  18. jjk2007

    jjk2007 Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Austin, TX
    I feel for ya! Keep plugging away!
     
  19. Drunk Heffalump

    Drunk Heffalump Tone that I have. Skill? Oh, that? Well....

    Feb 28, 2009
    Great White North
    No, you're not. When we were holding auditions we flat out told everyone that we would have you out, regardless if we felt we'd found the person for the job just moments, hours or days before. That's the honest thing to do, and everyone we said that too was completely cool with that. As I said at the time if we've gotten this far, meaning calls, texts and a try out list of tunes, we MUST see it through, after all how will we, and you, the auditionee, know for sure unless you see everyone and they see you?
    Play hard play fair and no one gets hurt, savvy?
    :D
     
  20. bassbully

    bassbully Endorsed by The PHALEX CORN BASS..mmm...corn!

    Sep 7, 2006
    Blimp City USA
    Auditions are pure hell IMO and this happens. If a band has a fit and like the player they can and will pick them and cancel the rest. This has happened in more than one band I have been in.