Ameg, SWR, Eden,or Genz Benz? your opinion

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by harley_ou812, Nov 30, 2001.

  1. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    I am looking into cabs for my Hartke ha-7000 head. I looked at a few different stores but havent gotten to play through any of them yet... I am looking at a 4-10 or 2 2-10 and a 1-15. I have been leaning towards eden or ampeg but i have yet to hear them. But the one guy i talked to swore up and down on the sound quality of a genzbenz wich i havent heard of before. The SWR stuff seems to be sore really good equiment as well. So i gues what i am asking is If you were to be spending your money what would you buy?

    Price isnt so much an option.. I will save to spend whatever is needed to get what i will feel is the best.. and kee in mind of possible head upgrades in the future

    Thanks in advance
  2. Freakapotamus9


    Jun 20, 2001
    id get SWR or Eden.
    i wasnt that impressed with the genz benz i played out of, maybe you would like it .... i dont know. ive been to a concert ( local of course ) and one of the bass players used a hartke head with an ampeg SVT-410LF and it had great tone.

    try stuff out and see what you like
  3. BigBohn


    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    My opinion; no flaming please.

    Get Eden D410XLT if you want the best sound starting off and not want that feeling like there was another cab out there that sounded better.

    Get the SWR Goliath if you want that feeling like there was another cab out there that sounded better.

    Plain and simple.

    Eden, Eden, Eden....
  4. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    lol i was really thinking eden before i looked at anything. Eden is very expensive though.. But like i said price isnt an option. ampeg and Eden were mostly suggested to me i believe.
  5. Harley,

    Keep in mind that "better" is an extremely subjective adjective. I like the SWR and Ampeg cabs both better than the Eden's... and so do a lot of players like Jason Newsted, Victor Wooten, and the bass player from the Spin Doctors (just mentioned them as they're in your profile). Play several of the cabs, and find which one sounds best to you. You can't really go wrong with any of those choices though...

    Good luck!
  6. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Inactive

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    DR Strings
    What's your budget? I just saw a clean D210XLT and D115XLT in a local store..
  7. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    Like i said my budget is not defined. I am trying to find out what I am going to buy. I am planning on not buying anything till I play all of them and se what i think. I believe that after christmas i am going to hav about 900 or so to go towards it. But i I find that Eden is what i want I will pay more to get the eden but ifI decide wthat i like Ampeg best i can save a little and get the ampeg or if i go With benz genz i wil save quite a bit.. But I am going to get whatever i like bet regardless of price,
  8. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    Oh yeah the tone that i fell in love with is Jason Newsteads sound on Cunning Stunts when he played the bass dodle with kirk later joinging in... That solo is what made me wanna switch from drums to bass
  9. Nightbass


    May 1, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    If you decide on Eden, the average price for a used D-410XLT is around $600, and I've seen used D-210XLT + D-115XLT stacks go for $700 and up. So both of those options should be within your budget, if you like the Edens best.

  10. :D Get A GK Backline 4-10 tey sound awesome :p
  11. jasonbraatz

    jasonbraatz Supporting Member

    Oct 18, 2000
    Milwaukee, WI

    :rolleyes: funny i've never had that feeling.....

    out of every cab i've ever played, i don't like any of them more than SWR stuff. Eden, SWR, Ampeg, etc...all sound great, but SWR cabinets are a very big part of my sound. the problem is choosing between their inherant tones. based on your profile, i'd make sure you play some SWR stuff before you buy anything.

    if price was no concern, i'd get a SWR Goliath Sr. 6x10 or a Henry the 8x8. i like the sound of the 8x8 a little better, but the 6x10 can handle 1k watts, and i just like the idea of running my poweramp bridged at 1000 watts :)

    What about Aguilar cabs? i've heard nothing but rave reviews about them, and they seem much less pricey than their amps. Warwick has some neat cabs too.

  12. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    Well i have thought about Aguilar but i dont know where to go to listen to them.... And i big problem that i havent mentioned is i need to be able to fit this into a grand am. so a 4-10 is pushing it and a 6-10 or a 8-8 wont fit. Rigfht now i play through a 2-12 fender cab from the 60's i believe. so size is an issue i seen some ameg 4 10s that will fit i am sure but i also seen a eden 2-10 that was as big as an eden 4 -10 wich i thought was a little odd
  13. FalsehoodBass


    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    i have an swr 810... and nothing out there sounds better to me.... esp not eden..... but that's just me, and i'm not going to tell you what you like.

    Keep in mind that the ampeg cabs that victor wooten uses are much different than the normal 410's and such that they sell. The main factor in ampeg's disctinctive sound is that they are in sealed cabinets, which means no ports, its airtight inside.

    Because of this... they're a little lacking in the low frequency response department. Plenty of people use them though, and it doesn't seem to bother them... Also the 410 HLF has 2 speakers in a sealed cab, and 2 ported... this makes the bass response better, but then you lose some of the "ampeg" tone...

    that said.... i say try out two swr 410's and see how you like em...
  14. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Oh, what the heck. I don't really need to say this, but ... Eden D-410XLT, of course.
  15. Eden and SWR are practically the same thing. David Eden used to build amps at SWR. He parted ways and started his own company. Both amps and cabinets have many simular characteristics... I don't think one is better than the other.
    Genz Benz makes some really great stuff, but I'm only familliar with some of their combo amps. Still very impressive, though.
    Ampeg would be my last choice. SWR's and Edens would be MUCH more versatile. I've owned a few Ampegs and I think of them as just a couple steps above Peavey. Pretty flat tone, well constructed though.
  16. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    There's two company's cab's that I like.

    1) Peavey
    2) Bag End

    (Peavey more, because Bag End tends to be kind of boomy, to me, and a bit lifeless)
  17. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    I had thought about trying out some peavey cabs... I had/have one of their heads... The delta bass wich I really liked but i did see what people say about peavey watts with it. I am running the same cab right now as i did with that. Granted I am pushing about 110 watts more now It is still insanly different.I cant turn my master volume ast 1 now but with my peavey and 110 watts less i could crank it almost all of the way up..
  18. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania

    Well, a lot of people try to discount Peavey by calling them a budget company, which isn't really that true, IMHO/IME.

    The deltabass is a pretty good head.
    Although, it's not nearly enough wattage for any situation. I use a Firebass II 700, and I'm quite happy with mine.

    Even if you don't like Peavey, give everything that's suggested a try (if possible). The more you try, the more you know.

    It's funny to me, how my opinions of tone have changed...
    I think it's in large due to what I didn't know was possible, and due to my ignorance regarding EQing.

    The last paragraph was a bit off-base, but it's just a general comment, that could be useful. :)

    I'll say it one last time, though...
    Give everything you hear mentioned a try. :)

    I can tell you that I'd take my Peavey over an Ampeg cab, but that doesn't say that my Peavey cab is neccessarily your ideal cab, so take the opinions with a grain of salt.

    P.S. Where in central PA are you from?
    Harrisburg area? If it's anywhere near me, I may be able to tell you about some dealers. :)
  19. BigBohn


    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    FYI: A new Eden D410XLT goes for around $780 around my parts. It was only 80 bucks more than the Goliath III I a/b'ed with. To my ear, the Eden had a much greater tone difference than the Goliath. Don't believe the specs on the Goliath when they say it goes down to 36 Hz or whatever low freq they put up, while the 410XLT says 50Hz. The Eden put out more sound than the Goliath on the low B. Plain and simple. Sure, the Goliath is a great cab, it can be used for many jobs, like a boat anchor.
  20. harley_ou812


    Sep 30, 2001
    Lebanon, PA
    Yeah I live pretty close to Harrisburg.. Places I have checked out were... Wray's Music wich used to carry peavey cabs but dont know all the carry as far as bass goes are Eden Cabs and Fender combos. Triple R Guitar wich Deals in Hartke and SWR cabs and BCR music wich Deals ith Galien Kruger. those are all Lemoyne Then I live about 5 minutes from Lebanon if you are familiar with the area where I could go to Cagnolis and try an ampeg 4-10 or a Peavey 2-10 but the peavey 2-20 is 4 ohms and 200 watts wich i was looking for a 8 ohm 200 watt or a 4 ohm 400 watt deal. then martys Music in lebanon has a ameg 2-10 that i can try. So if you can tell me any Dealers other then the ones i already mentioned iy would be greatly appreciated.