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American Idol 2 Vote Controversy

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Boplicity, May 22, 2003.

  1. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    CNN announced tonight they would reveal a controversy connected with last night's breathtakingly close vote for Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken. Then the anchor woman announced at the last minute of her show that time had run out and more would be announced tomorrow.

    Frustrated by the failure of CNN to give news they had been teasing for half an hour, I went to Google to search, but found nothing. I even went to CNN.com and found nothing.

    Is what the anchor woman referred to the goof-up of Ryan Seacrest who can't read numbers so first he said the vote was 130,000 apart, then 13,000 apart, then only 1,300 apart for the two finalists or is the controversy something far more serious than Seacrest's apparent lack of skill reading numbers larger than one digit?

    Does anybody know what CNN was hinting at? If any of you have heard or read something about a vote scandal other than Seacrest's confusion, please post it here.

    As for Seacrest's mistake, whether Studdard won by 1,300 or 130,000, that is still a breathtakingly small margin when one considers how many votes were called in. Seacret's mistake can hardly be considered controversial or scandalous.

    One editorial comment against CNN. I deplore the journalistic TV practice of teasing a news item then not delivering. First, it leaves TV viewers in a lurch. Second, in the case of AMerican Idol2...to hint at a scandal, then not deliver calls into question the integrity of Studdard's win, but provides absolutely no facts to back up the assertion. CNN besmerched the image of the contest, but left viewers hanging with no futher facts. That is journalism of the lowest order. It is irresponsible.
  2. i am baffled that people care so much.
  3. CNN sux.
  4. It says quite a bit about America.
  5. Ok. What about all the bleating on and on, the mindless, endless drivel about sports... in discussion, on forums, in the bars, on the news? Golf? Throwing a ball? I am baffled that people care so much about sports "idols" who are grotesquely overpaid to do something that is so insignificant.:rolleyes:

    Who gives a smelly rip about sports? What's the difference?:confused:

    Personally I enjoy discussing something about the music industry. Thanks for the info, Bop.

  6. DigMe


    Aug 10, 2002
    Waco, TX
    I'm sure I would be outraged if I gave a damn.

    brad cook
  7. DigMe


    Aug 10, 2002
    Waco, TX
  8. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    Sir, you have just said what has always been on my mind.

    .......Of course, people could probaly say the same thing about me and music. Maybe I just have some of the "I hate jocks" stigma leftover from high school. :oops:
  9. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Hmmm. I was sure I was the only one who feels that way.
  10. ...well i think sports are pretty dumb too. i was just commenting on the topic at hand. did what i said imply that there was a difference?
  11. Nate Dawg

    Nate Dawg

    Apr 8, 2000
    Denver, CO
    American Idol is as much about the music industry as porn movies are to the film industry. It's something created to fill a niche where somebody stands to make a bunch of money from it.
  12. ;) :smug:
  13. S a C's D
  14. Nate Dawg

    Nate Dawg

    Apr 8, 2000
    Denver, CO
    If this is what I think it is, then you've been listening to too much (or not enough) Wesley Willis.
  15. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    I feel that any part of the music industry is appropriate for discussion here without the need for members to express their disdain for the topic, even if it is discussing the future of polka or Venezuelan gaitas or harmonica music or whatever small area of music we are discussing.

    To liken American idol to porn in the movie industry is totally unfair. If someone can make money from music, more power to them. God knows plenty of people in music are NOT making money. While some may fault American Idol for its blantantly pop orientation, they certainly cannot put the show in a category with porn.

    I also feel it is appropriate to bring up questions about the fairness or credibility of the votes on American Idol 2, because those who express such disdain for the show will have more ammunition for their opinions if and when such allegations are proven to be true. Instead, those who do not like the show are critical of any mention of it in any context here at TalkBass.

    Those, such as myself who dare to post anything about American Idol are subject to replies expressing contempt for the show. Whether you like the show or not, allegations of impropriety in the selection of the winner are important discussion points here.

    Afterall, last year's winner, Kelly Clarkson's album has outsold Madonna's latest album and even was ahead of Celine Dion's for a couple weeks. In five weeks, Clarkson has sold 1,300,000 albums. , Clearly, the implication for fame and fortune for an American Idol winner is not at all insignificant. What they stand to earn is substantial. If votes that determine the winner are shown to be "fixed" such a scandal is worth discussing here. That would be just as true if the show were American Jazz Idol and not just American (pop) Idol.

    P.S. American Jazz Idol would be a wonderful competition. So it "ain't gonna" happen, most likely.

  16. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    It has been said above that American Idol is just a way to make money in the music industry. Well, like you, I who am totally indifferent to sports, feel that sports have become one of the biggest money engines of our times.

    If American Idol is about making a fast easy buck, what about all the major league sports, golf, extreme sports, Olympic sports, skating, horse racing, car racing, sports fishing, etc., etc.? Talk about big money. It is staggering how sports have come to dominate weekend TV and evening TV with major league seasons lasting longer and longer and teams proliferating. There is no end.

    When I was a kid in the 40s and 50s, it would have been unimaginable the giant the sports industry would come to be today. And it is all about the money. American Idol is a very small player compared to exploitation of sports for profit.
  17. wesley willis should have won american idol.
  18. Nate Dawg

    Nate Dawg

    Apr 8, 2000
    Denver, CO
    American Idol seems less about music and more about television. To me, it comes off as a television show designed to make money first, and a viable showcase for talented artists second.

    Sure, the people get to vote for whoever they want (or do they? isn't that the whole point of this thread).

    Coincidently, CNN is talking about the "controversy" as I'm typing this.

    Anyway... The only reason that these artists are selling so well is because of the show. If Kelly Clarkwhatever had been discovered in the "normal" way, do you think she'd sell so many albums without the huge marketing machine that is the American Idol tv show?

    I guess my complaint is more with the ignorance of the "fans" than the show itself. But that's just the nature of pop music and that's how it's always been.
  19. I wonder if people felt this way about the Ted Mack Amatuer hour. That show is where we all got our first taste of the King Elvis!

    Then there was "The Cut" from MTV, hosted by the late great Left Eye Lisa Lopez, the forerunner to Idol which discovered Anastacia, who can sang baby! If I remember two of the judges were David Foster (who knows a thing or two about the biz) and Faith Evans.

    The original Starsearch spawned the very succesful country act Sawyer Brown as well as many others.

    Does participating on one of these shows lessen your talent?

    I wish I could blow like either Clay or Rueben. To dismiss their ability seems ludicris (sp?) to me.

    Why all the fuss and muss over a talent show?

    Last time I checked music was supposed to be about entertainment. I for one was entertained.

    Maybe someone should put together a Jazz Idol or a Rock Band Idol, where do I sign up!

    P.S. it's called showBUSINESS for a reason $$$$$
  20. rllefebv


    Oct 17, 2000
    Newberg, Oregon
    In the almost three years that I've participated on TalkBass, I've seen numerous posts by TBers who have participated in 'Battles of the Bands', talent shows and such, and cared very much about the results. American Idols differs in scale, but it's essentially the same thing. I like the show, and yeah, I have tickets to the Portland concert! :cool: