Amp dies after 15 - 20 minutes

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by reeljerc, Jun 14, 2020.

  1. reeljerc

    reeljerc

    Aug 28, 2017
    Santa Ana, CA
    It’s an older Hartke Kickback 12. Gigged with it plenty for about 4 years. All the sudden, after about 15-20 minutes, no sound. Distorts shortly, than out. I’ve tested it with active, passive, preamp, no preamp.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. mmbongo

    mmbongo I have too many basses. Supporting Member

    Does it get hot in that amount of time?
     
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  3. reeljerc

    reeljerc

    Aug 28, 2017
    Santa Ana, CA
    I’m not feeling excessive heat.
     
  4. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    If you have an active bass, check your battery.

    Otherwise, unless you have test equipment and some knowledge troubleshooting audio amps, you are looking at finding QUALIFIED Hartke service.
     
  5. reeljerc

    reeljerc

    Aug 28, 2017
    Santa Ana, CA
    Figured as much. It’s been in the garage for months, I’m thinking of getting a little head and maybe just use the cabinet? It’s not worth putting more than $100 into, I just can’t bring myself to simply dispose of it.
     
  6. Clean off the fan, make sure it's blowing air
     
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  7. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player

    Jun 12, 2008
    The description sounds like a thermal-related failure, which might be from an element that’s gone bad and needs replacing by a pro, but *could* be cooling, so, yeah, check that the fan is moving air like it should.
     
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  8. Could be thermal related.
    Solder joints can crack from repeated heating/cooling expansion/contraction.
    A narrow crack that barely makes contact might become one that almost makes contact as the circuit board heats up.
    Also could be related to crud in a multipin connector on a ribbon cable.
    A tiny bit of Deoxit and working the connector in and out a few times can help that.
    All in all, if it is still trying to work, it's probably not seriously fried.
     
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  9. reeljerc

    reeljerc

    Aug 28, 2017
    Santa Ana, CA
    Thank you, I'll try all of those and let you know. It's a nice sounding little thing when it works. Good for small gigs.
     
  10. Peteyboy

    Peteyboy

    Apr 2, 2018
    Los Angeles
    Only time that's ever happened to me was with a Carvin head and it was a short in the fan. Cheap fix.
     
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  11. 39-Bassist

    39-Bassist

    Jul 7, 2010
    Florida
    Endorsing Artist for: Duncan Pickups; Line6, Hipshot, GHS Strings, Somnium Guitars
    I would think it was what everyone is saying. But I have to throw his in (as per your description of issue)
    I have a Roland cube that kept doing that and I went through the hole circuitry and found nothing, then for the fun of it I connected another speaker and wow no problems. Speaker was the issue.
    I am not saying speaker is bad but just another thing to check?
     
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  12. Ric5

    Ric5 Inactive

    Jan 29, 2008
    Colorado
    I like 5, 8, 10, and 12 string basses
    if you have an effects loop on the amp and or a line in and line out with 1/4" jacks then use a 4" pedal board cable on the in out and sometime that will fix it.
     
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  13. vvvmmm

    vvvmmm

    Dec 6, 2016
    Chi
    I do that with an Ampeg VT60 that I use for Bass VI - the loop jacks bypass the issue (which I think is corrosion on those jacks).
     
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  14. sedan_dad

    sedan_dad Supporting Member

    Feb 5, 2006
    Columbus,Ohio
    Stick a fork in it. It's done.
     
  15. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    If you have the ability, open he amp chassis and vacuum out the cooling path. The fan can suck all sorts of crud up which eventually restrict the cooling air flow.
     
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  16. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    It could be a cooling issue, but it could be any number of other things too.
     
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  17. NortyFiner

    NortyFiner Drunken Sailor Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Portsmouth VA USA
    Sounds like a thermal cutoff doing its job. Likely either a thermal switch (in which case you may be able to hear the click as it goes out and resets) or a thermistor (which operates on electrical resistance rising with temperature, which could explain the distortion before it goes out); I doubt any amp from this century has solder pots. Whatever mechanism it's using, it's overheating and cutting off to protect itself. If basic cleaning doesn't work, get thee to a technician.
     
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  18. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Is it actually overheating or MIGHT it POSSIBLY be overheating? This has not been verified as the cause, therefore it can not be said with ANY certainty that it IS overheating.

    What is a solder pot? I don't think you mean what it really is.
     
  19. jeff7bass

    jeff7bass Inactive

    Apr 9, 2009
    So it actually died in 4 years and 15 minutes...
     
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  20. NortyFiner

    NortyFiner Drunken Sailor Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Portsmouth VA USA
    A type of thermal cutoff, basically a type of fuse. Too much heat melts a bead of solder to break the electrical connection. I saw them on electrical gear in the US Navy, motor controllers for pumps and the like. "Solder pot" may not be their formal name, but that's what we called them anyway.
     
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