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Amp Dilema - EA Content

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TaySte_2000, Nov 21, 2005.


  1. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    So I'm currently using an Ashdown C110 evo II 300 combo and a matching ashdown 4x8 cab, now I've always been impressed by the volumes that this cab can put out, but my gig have changed recently and have got alot bigger and a couple of things bother me about my rig.

    Firstly although my gain and volume are never over 1/2 way the amp doesn't really get much louder after that so I'm pretty much topped out volume wise although currently I can hear myself ok and when I don't have PA support I can manage a room of about 400, but that's it can't manage much more.

    Secondly its quite heavy its about 120lb's altogether and I can't really carry anything else at the same time so I'm making quite a few trips to and from the car at gigs

    Third I do have problems cutting through every so often even with my mid heavy sound, (I go for the old school grindy sorta tone but still need a lot of high end not just thump)

    Forth I play dgcf and when I do go down to that low D its very muddy and unclear.

    Fifth and the biggest problem was yesterday at Bass Day UK I played an EA Iamp 800, CXL112 and NL210 and it was amazing, the low B ojn the 5 strings was a note, clear as a bell, everything was punchy and clear, but didn't sound sterile and clinical like some people have said, at least to my ears

    Now the main reason I started looking around at other amps was all the horror stories I've heard about Ashdown, I've never had a problem, and my amp has been gigged quite hard but I have bigger and bigger gigs coming up where I can't afford for something to go wrong with my amp, and I also have to be heard on stage.

    Over here in the UK this EA rig will cost me like £2500 that's $4300 to you guys, which is a hell of a lot of money so I'm just weighing up my other options.

    So I need some input, I might not go with the Iamp800 as I'm not sure how much of what I heard yesterday was the amp or the cabs, I can get a Thunderfunk imported for quite a bit less or maybe a pre/power setup would be best but this would be quite heavy.

    Other brands I can get here are

    Epifani - Really expensive and I didn't like the 4x10 and 1x15 I played through recently
    EBS - Don't know if it's in the same league
    Accugroove - Even more expensive
    Glockenlang - Gotta be able to get it some where in europe
    Schroeder - Work out about the same price as the EA stuff
    Aguilar - Amp Ag500 might be a good amp choice but don't think I'll like the cabs

    Thats pretty much it, so if some of you guys feel like helping me find a rig that can handle all sorts of music, is easy to move around, has lots of clarity but can also do the old school rock sound, I'd really appreciate it.

    Cheers
     
  2. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    IMHO, the iAMP + NL210 = LOUD bass bliss.

    i tried daveW's TFB550 w/ my old NL210, and thought that sounded fine, too. but, again, i'd defer to the all EA treatment.
     
  3. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Yeah I'm leaning that was EA here are stocked by Overwater and they were very nice guys and were telling me of situations where things had broken on the road and how they helped players get them fixed asap.

    I'm just sorting out changing my Ashdown 4x8 to the EA CXL112 not the new L version though I think the difference is 4kg so not a major issue especially since this cab is about 1/2 of new price over here and comes with a padded cover.

    I can also get the Bag End S15 I think quite cheap but I think that I'd be lacking the highs.

    I know the Iamp 800, cxl112 and nl210 will be the last rig I ever need volume wise so I'm willing to invest as it should last a lifetime, or at least until GAS strikes again.
     
  4. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    The iAMP 800, CxL-112, NL-210 rig is certainly a top notch, take-no-prisoners rig, and one of my favorite combinations. But, be careful not to base you opinion too much on what the CxL-112 sounds like alone (it sounds like you have been able to hear this cab by itself?). The NL-210 adds some serious mojo, and if I were to get only one of the cabs first, and then add the other later on, I'd get the NL-210 first, for sure. Two NL-210's pretty much kick arse, too.

    Tom.
     
  5. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    No I've only heard this rig altogether, so I'm actually hoping the cxl112 sounds good on it's own or at least better than my massively ported 4x8. The only reason I'm getting the CXL112 first is there is one available s/h and cheap and there generally isn't alot of EA stuff in the UK.

    Cheers
     
  6. Don't really think of EA when going for an 'old school rock sound'. From what you describe that you are looking for in your post, a single Schroeder 1210 or 1212 with a Thunderfunk550 would be a fabulous, loud, punch, clear, small, relatively inexpensive rig that will give you lot's of punch and lot's of clarity.... comparing it to all your other choices... the biggest bang for the size and dollar.
     
  7. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Yeah I was looking at Schroeder but at the same time I don't just want my amp to do that rock sound, I want it to be very versatile and I'll use over drive pedals to muddy it up.

    But the other thing I've noticed is my amp colours my tone alot and I end up having no idea at all of what the sound out of the PA is like, so I thought a transparent rig would help in that respect, giving me a better idea of what the crowd is hearing.

    Maybe I'm wrong, I do appreciate the advice though.

    Am I looking at the wrong thing with a neutral rig? I'm already in the process of changing my 4x8 for the cxl112 and I'm hoping it will sound better (I'm sure it will as all the sound won't be rushing out of those huge ports in the back)
     
  8. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    I would respectfully disagree with you. The EA cabs will get any sound you put into it - that's the beauty of them. Unlike the Schroeder which defintely has a characteristic tone of it's own, the nuetrality of the EA cabs allows you to build whatever sound that you want. Players like Kasim Sultan (Meatloaf) and Lee Sklar (Barefoot Servants) have no proplem getting old school rock tones out of the EA gear.

    It's all about what you put into them

    Additionally comapring the TF 550 to the iamp800 is like comapring apples to oranges. A better comparison would be with the iAMP 500. The 800 puts out 2,500 watts of peak power to handle ANY transient attack you can throw at it. The headroom on the 800 can not really be matched by the TF 550
     
  9. We all have our opinions. While the original EA line (the VL line) sounded relatively 'flat' to me, the newer EA stuff does not IMO, and has its own distinct coloring. For the desired tone the thread originator described, the Schroeder coloring seems to line up better IMO. Also, I find my TF550 to put out just as much oomph or more than my iAmp800 it replaced.
    As always, hopefully the thread originator can try some of this stuff prior to purchase.
     
  10. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    I won't be able to try schroeder unless some one in the Manchester area has bought one, can maybe get hold of a Thunderfunk to try, but that won't be through an EA cab.

    What are the opinions on the Bag End 1x15 or is it totally the wrong thing for what I'm after?
     
  11. There are a couple of recent threads talking about the small Bag-End 15's if you do a search. The S15D-x with tweeter is a very nice cab, and the s15D/s15Dx combination sounds very nice. They are rear ported, which some don't prefer, and they don't have the full range response of some of the other cabs you are considering (they are small cabs that roll off quite hi).... very warm sounding but won't shake the room IMO.
     
  12. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    :cool:
     
  13. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Yeah more or less sorted the deal on the cxl112 so then I need to get a new more powerful amp and finally the nl210.

    Interesting enough I considered EA quite expensive but even being in Europe EBS comes close to the same price and I don't think they are really in the same league, so EA seem to work out at quite good value.

    Still not sure about the amp, I think Iamp over the thunderfunk for the headroom mentioned, but at the same time I'm considering a pre/power setup which will just get me into a whole new world of GAS.


    Mike can I ask what are EA warrenties like as I'm considering getting one from over there in the States but I need the reliabilty and customer service that i have been told about, also how do they view owners of s/h EA gear?

    Cheers
     
  14. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Sigh...

    Alex
     
  15. Kael

    Kael Supporting Member

    Dec 26, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    I am now running a Thunderfunk 550 into an EA nl-210/cxl-112 (heavy version, not the "L"). I previously was using an Iamp800 through the same cabs. For me, the thunderfunk is better fit. I haven't noticed a loss of headroom. The power section on the thunderfunk sounds more authoritative than my old iamp through these cabs. If you are after the super hi-fi clean sound, the iamp is the more appropriate choice. The 'funk will do it with the switch, but not as readily or well as the iamp. It is, however, much easier to dial in an old school sound with the TFB. Both amps do have very flexible EQ sections.

    Nice choice on the cabs. You really NEED an nl-210 to go with that cxl-112. ;)
     
  16. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Yeah I was feeling that alot of what I was hearing was the cabs, so the nl210 is next on the list after the cxl112 I think.

    My problem with Thunderfunk is it's quite difficult to get over here and works out around $1400 with flightcase and such without the 23% tax or so I'll have to pay on this end so it is very similar in price to the Iamp. If something was to go wrong with it I'd have real problems getting it fixed quickly and thats not acceptable in my current gigging situation, where as Overwater have assured me if something was to go wrong they would normally have it sorted within 48 hours.

    I mean I've been gasing for a thunderfunk for along time and Dave seems like a great guy, very helpful but end of the day I don't think I could get the amp fixed quickly, if he chimes in here and disagrees great, but else I don't know how viable it would be.

    The headroom is an issue, having it been explained to me as the more headroom the more power you can give to each note to form, such as the low b which has always sounded mushy through my rig and the Iamp has tons of headroom whereas I'm not to sure about the thunderfunk, although from what I've read it sounds very very impressive and it has to be good especially since DavidMWilson refuses to ever part with it :D
     
  17. TaySte_2000

    TaySte_2000

    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Also just to get into crazy riggage as well, I thought since the Iamp is stable to 2ohms, if i felt like it i could add a bag end s15d and then randomly place the 3 speakers around the stage :p

    Well I could use the EA rig as mine and the bag end on the other side of the stage for drummer and guitarist, obviously this would come at a much later stage as EA stuff is expensive and I'm poor :D
     
  18. Kael

    Kael Supporting Member

    Dec 26, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    If the third cab was just a monitor for the drummer, I'd be tempted to slave a less expensive combo amp. I used to do this with a rather loud drummer who had difficulty hearing me.
     
  19. Steve Clark

    Steve Clark Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2004
    London ON
    If TaySte does buy an iAMP from the good folks at Overwater in the UK I'm sure they will have all the parts, if necessary, to keep him going and honour any EA warranty issues. As for fixing an iAMP, given the modular nature of the construction a repair could be as simple as switching out a board in the unit.
     
  20. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Boston, MA
    I had an ABM 500 a few years ago without any problems. Great amp. I left the country and sold it. When I came back I heard about all of the problems that Ashdown was having with their amps. It took almost 2 years for me to feel good about buying an Ashdown again. I got an EVO500II a few months ago and couldn't be happier. I haven't heard of that many problems with Ashdown recently. I'm told that the problems have been worked out. Have you considered trying an EVO500II with the EA cabs? I'd assume it to be much cheaper being that they're made over there. I truthfully think that the sound would be more towards what you're looking for in the long run. I've heard your band on the web and I just can't imagine an iAMP800 would do it for you. Could you also take your bass to Overwater and try it through the iAMP and then find a place to try an EVO500II?