Amp setup - Tilting back one cab and not the other

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by AndrewChalloner, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. AndrewChalloner

    AndrewChalloner

    Feb 23, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Markbass Amplification
    Hi bass players, I'm trying a new amp setup. Tilting one can back on top of another that's flat. So one is at 45 degrees and the other just lying on the amp riser. The idea is to be able to hear myself when I'm right in front of the amp from the cab that's tilted back, and also when I move forward on a bigger stage from the one that's flat.
    Looking for the best of both worlds but it's usually not that simple!
    Anyone tried this? Pros, cons?
    The head us Velcro-ed to the top and it's all solid and steady.
    Looking for opinions on why this is good / bad in terms of dispersion and phasing etc
    They are matching cabs.
    Thanks, any thoughtful or helpful advice appreciated!
     

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  2. edencab

    edencab

    Aug 14, 2013
    Toronto, On
    what are those wedges?
     
  3. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    more manufacturers need to design this capability into their stuff! definitely a good idea, especially with smaller boxes.

    that said, you should try stacking the cabs "tallways" for a TB-approved tall&skinny stack; you'd likely need less angle on your top cab, or maybe even none at all.
     
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  4. AndrewChalloner

    AndrewChalloner

    Feb 23, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Markbass Amplification
    They're called a Mark Stand by Markbass.
    It's basically a steel plate inside to make it strong. Folds up flat.
    Just letting you know I have a small endorsement deal with Markbass so I'm not trying to promote their stuff.
    The stands would look funny unless they were paired with Markbass gear. Would be fairly easy to make a similiar one if you're a DIY person.
     
  5. AndrewChalloner

    AndrewChalloner

    Feb 23, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Markbass Amplification
    Yeah I've tried stacking vertically and it seems fine. Just trying something different. have read a lot of the "science" of why stacking vertically works. Wouldn't mind hearing anyone's science on why this would work in theory or not?
    I can still tilt the top cab back when stacked vertically but it's not as secure.
     
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    There are times it can be unsteady, but if it holds for you and sounds good, then it's all good.
     
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  7. I tried this once on an elevated stage and came to the conclusion that, while it made it easier for me to hear myself, the upper angled speaker was beaming way over the audience's heads so all the good tone was hitting them from the lower speaker only. Am I off base here?
     
  8. HaphAsSard

    HaphAsSard

    Dec 1, 2013
    Italia
    IIRC, according to Bill Fitzmaurice, for an even more "correct" setup you should crossfire the cabs, i.e. tilt the bottom cab instead.
    Some cancellation would still occur in front and above you but it would only affect the peanut gallery if there.
    More importantly, it would be significantly more finicky to implement, entailing the use of three of those wedges instead of one (unless you used the wall to lean the cabs against, which you'd better not to since the 121H is rear-ported) or an equivalent contraption; also, I suspect the benefits over your current solution would probably be negligible - especially on tight stages, standing in the near field of the tilted top cab should offset any, or most, comb-filtering effects induced by the ceiling-eyed vertical stack.
     
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Yes and no. True the highs and upper mids will be aimed more toward your head than theirs. But they have a cab they can hear, so not like they're missing anything.
     
  10. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    I too endorse the "skinny stack". Once I tried it I never went back. :)
     
  11. AndrewChalloner

    AndrewChalloner

    Feb 23, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Markbass Amplification
    Thanks for the replies everyone. I tried it at a gig last night and it seemed to work quite well. I wasn't able to move a lot on that stage and was mostly in front of my amp but found i could hear myself well and could still feel the bottom cab "pushing air" into the back of my legs. I have another gig tonight with a different band with 2 x 2x10's so I will stack vertically as normal. Hard to compare in different venues though. On Tuesday I should get a decent soundcheck so might walk around the room and stage with the wireless and compare the affects in different areas. Have a good sound guy too for that gig, so will ask his opinion.
    I had another thought? Is the speaker designed to be used one way or another? (ie horizontally or vertically?) The logo is the "right way" up when stacked horizontally but maybe that's just for looks. All things being equal I wonder if the speaker sounds the same with the box around it being vertical or horizontal, not taking into account the angle or height etc.
    Anyway food for thought ?
     
  12. AndrewChalloner

    AndrewChalloner

    Feb 23, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Markbass Amplification
    Cool so you're saying that the frequencies being cancelled would happen directly in front of the amp, as one cab is crossing the path of the other, and therefore would affect the rest of the room less?
     
  13. HaphAsSard

    HaphAsSard

    Dec 1, 2013
    Italia
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    In my hypothetical arrangement, this image is taken from stage right (since of course the bottom cab wouldn't be on its back, pointing to the ceiling and with you standing over it, imagine it and the upward fired lobe rotated a couple degrees clockwise, so that the angle formed by the baffles becomes >90°). Let's say your ears are where the small square is - well, probably a little closer to the cabs than that, on 2nd thoughts: inside the (vertical in the pic, slanted IRL) lobe anyway. The audience is reached by the other macro-lobe, but there is cancellation (varying in spatial extent and I guess frequencies according to the crossfiring angle) starting at a certain distance from the system, around the plane perpendicular to the line between the centers of the drivers and equidistant from them; since that plane is tilted upwards it should not affect the audience.
    (Please note this is only parroting what I think I've learnt here. Do a search on "crossfiring" and the like, and more reliable opinions should come up.)
     
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