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Ampeg 410hlf

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Erich Zann, Sep 4, 2001.


  1. Erich Zann

    Erich Zann

    Aug 14, 2000
    Talk about stupid salesmen... First I tell this guy i'm looking at buying an SVT and for some reason he gets me one of the b-series heads to try out:rolleyes:

    Well, we got that sorted out and a month or 2 later I told him I wanted the cabnet that came with it. He's say's "yeah, this ones perfectly matched to that head you bought" I look at the model number and sure enough 410hlf. It's now it's a few weeks later and i realize it's a BSE410hlf. which means it's a B-series cab NOT an SVT. The idiot sold me the wrong cabnet!!! I supose that's what I get for trusting a guitarist:mad:

    Now, my question is, before I go and yell at the guy, How much of a difference is there between the Bse410hlf and the SVT-410hlf?
     
  2. Freakapotamus9

    Freakapotamus9

    Jun 20, 2001
    Nebraska
    ok...

    BSE410HLF

    Specifications:
    Dimensions : 25.75 x 22.75 x 17.5
    Weight : 91 Pounds
    Component 1: Magnet Weight : 30oz
    Component 1: Size : 4x10'
    Component 1: Voice Coil : 2'
    Component 2: Magnet Weight : 8oz
    Component 2: Size : Horn/Driver
    Component 2: Voice Coil : 1'
    Crossover Frequency : 4kHz
    Frequency Response (-3dB) : 50-18KHz
    Maximum SPL : 125dB
    Nominal Impedance : 4 ohms
    Program Handling : 800 Watts
    RMS Handling : 400 Watts
    Sensitivity : 99dB
    Usable Low Frequency (-10dB) : 40 Hz

    and the SVT410LF...

    Specifications:
    Dimensions : 30 x 24 x 19
    Weight : 110 Pounds
    Component 1: Magnet Weight : 30oz
    Component 1: Size : 4x10'
    Component 1: Voice Coil : 2'
    Component 2: Magnet Weight : 8 oz
    Component 2: Size : Horn/Driver
    Component 2: Voice Coil : 1'
    Component 3: Magnet Weight :
    Component 3: Size :
    Component 3: Voice Coil :
    Crossover Frequency : 4KHz
    Frequency Response (-3 dB) : 48-18KHz
    Maximum SPL : 125dB
    Nominal Impedance : 4 ohms
    Program Handling : 800 Watts
    RMS Handling : 400 Watts
    Sensitivity : 98dB
    Usable Low Frequency (-10dB) : 28Hz

    they look quite different to me..... that mustve been some salesman. he gave you basiclly the "b2" version of the "svt3pro", which means similar qualities, less expensive. the ampeg ( yeah i know, the ONE dealer ) dealer around here doesnt normally carry these so im not sure about how much different they sound. which one did you pay for?? good luck man.
    Sam
     
  3. Where did you go to try to buy this??
     
  4. CaracasBass

    CaracasBass

    Jun 16, 2001
    Madrid, Spain
    Hey Erich,
    I think you should had made some "home work" before you went to buy the cabinet you wanted... like looking at Ampegs web page or catalog...

    Yelling at the salesperson could makes you feel better, but if you don´t know what its what you´re really looking for, it makes no sense.....
     
  5. Erich Zann

    Erich Zann

    Aug 14, 2000
    well, I didn't buy the B-series head, I bought an SVT-3, which is what I origanlly told him I wanted. It was at a place called musicstop. And about the cab, I told him I wanted a 410hlf. I just didn't realize there was 3 of them. I kinda assumed SVT head.... SVT cab... makes sense to me. I didn't bother looking at the B-series or pro series cabs, as I wanted a SVT cab. I figured what with all their catalogs and computers listing inventory he would know the difference. now I know better.
     
  6. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    I believe it is User Error.
    I wouldnt buy anything based on Dealer recomendation.
    Just my point of view.
    And dont yell at him, he/she doesnt deserve that.
    You asked for a 410HLF and you got exactly that.
    The SVT came in several models not too long ago..
    The SVT410HLF and SVT410HLF Pro
    Now the PRO is Called PR410HLF.

    SVT is just the "classic" models.
    BSE = Basic Entry Level
    BXT = Jazz Oriented.. (I think...)
     
  7. Erich Zann

    Erich Zann

    Aug 14, 2000
    when I said I was going to yell at him I was being sarcastic:) And you are right. I should never have assumed it was what he told me it was. Especially considering he's a guitarist:D

    But I have delt with this guy a fair bit, and if I explain it to him i'm sure we can work something out. I just wanted to make sure there was a difference between the 2, soundwise, before I got it exchanged. And I have been to their websight before, I just dodn't bother looking at the stuff I wasn't interested in. But, I supose if I had, I wouldn't have had all this trouble.
     
  8. I can't figure out what the *real* difference is between the BSE and SVT 410HLNs...
    I mean, on paper they are identical, $$-wise there's a difference though. Is the sound that much different?
    I had thought the BSE was a lower-power model? Man, I could have saved money! :D
     
  9. EString

    EString

    Nov 20, 2000
    Los Altos, CA
    I think that the BSEs and SVTs are different only in construction quality. Sound should be fairly similar.

    p.s. If anyone wants to buy an almost new SVT-410HLF, message me.

    ;)
     
  10. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I agree with the "buyer beware" statement that some of you had made, but on the other hand, when you go into a music store and a salesperson asks if he or she can help you, shouldn't they actually be able to help you?

    I was upset to find that after I bought my new head this past weekend, I can't return it, cuz it was on sale. The saleswoman told me I could return it within 7 days, regardless of the reason for the return, when I asked her about the store's return policy. When I got home and read the back of my purchase agreement, it clearly states: No returns on sale merchandise, unless it is defective.

    Before I hear, "You gotta read the fine print" from anyone, shouldn't the saleswoman have known that? Maybe that's why I was not an effective salesman -- I didn't go out of my way to screw my clientele.
     
  11. Erich Zann

    Erich Zann

    Aug 14, 2000
    As nice as they may be, all they really seem to want is to sell you something so they can get their comission.
     
  12. Hell yeah! Only one hour ago I had the manager of a PA/lighting supplier tell me that the frequency response of wireless units had nothing to do with anything - the wireless was simply replacing the cable. Huh? I doubt whether i'll deal there much again...
     
  13. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    They're basiclly[/i] the same cab that look different. They have the same power rating but some of the frequencies handlings are slightly different. I'd keep the cab. I have one in the store where I work & it sounds great!!!!! I have the SVT 410 hlf & it sounds great also.

    If you really aren't happy about the cab, go back to the store, explain to the manager what happened & see if you could get the SVT 410 HFL instead.
    <a href="http://www.theoremnyc.cjb.net"><img width=385 height=70 src="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1174383&a=8647027&p=41535909&Sequence=0&res=high" border=0></a>
     
  14. bobaloo

    bobaloo

    Aug 26, 2001
    Newport News, Va.
    Too bad they don't have the Ampeg "switch-o-matic" display. They have one at my local guitar center. When playing through all the different cabs available I was blown away by how much better the PR-410HLF sounded than anything else. More bottom end than even the PR-115. I ended up buying it. Only drawback-128lbs. although it did come with casters.
     
  15. Erich,

    I have an Ampeg SVT Classic with an Ampeg 4-10 cab. Not sure of the model but I think it is the PR410hlf - it's the one that has casters and a dolly handle on the back. It has 3 port holes at the bottom and I can tell you it sounds much better than the standard 4-10 that does not have port holes. Much better bass response. My advice would be to go back to the store you bought it from, and play through different cabinents using the head that you bought.

    Hope this helps.
     
  16. lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    Those Ampeg System Selectors rule!!!!

    They have one at my guitar center and I usually play with an SVT3 through the 810E. Nothing better than being able to switch cabs with the touch of a dial!!! :D
     
  17. SVT-410hlf or PR-410hlf very cool punchy, nice.
     
  18. Ziggy

    Ziggy

    May 9, 2001
    Orange County, CA
    It appears to me - other than the 2hz lower frequency response, and if the posted specs are correct - the only discernible difference is the 'usable frequency'.

    Unless you're playing alot of 5-string 'Lo-B' notes, 'B - series' 40hz should be down far enough to shake up just about any concrete walls... do you really need something that goes down to 28hz??

    Ziggy
     
  19. bobaloo

    bobaloo

    Aug 26, 2001
    Newport News, Va.
    That's on paper. Really, if you can find a store with an Ampeg setup that allows switching between speakers it is really telling. I tried all the 4x10's although they didn't have a pr-410 without the ports or the bxt series. They did have the SVT series and some 15's. The sound of the pr-410hlf was, in my opinion and Lukes, the bass dept. manager and a bass player in two local bands, best.
    He currently plays through an SVT 8x10 but says eventually he will get a PR-410hlf for sound and portability.
     
  20. Erich Zann

    Erich Zann

    Aug 14, 2000
    Well, as long as it's in perfect condition, he's willing to do a trade at full value :)

    And at a gig last week, one of the other bassplayers said I was a god :D