Ampeg V-4B + SVT-212AV -- add cab or get an SVT3-Pro?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by RollCats, Apr 30, 2019.


  1. RollCats

    RollCats

    Nov 19, 2018
    Austin, TX
    Hey fellow TBers! I'm a big lurker on some old threads and had some good info but wanted to get the latest. I've had the reissue V-4B with matching cab SVT-212AV for about 6 months now. It's my first tube rig! The tone is great, but I found for an outdoor show I didn't have quite the lowest of the lows I was wanting. I guess I want just a tad more headroom for the low end. The mids are to die for for my style.

    So I'm thinking of either getting another cab, or perhaps trying out an SVT3. I know that should give me tons of headroom, but I'm wondering if that sweet sweet warmth will still be there?

    Context: I play a mixture of funk/jam band and hip hop. I play through a MIM 70s Jazz. My other rig is a Hartke HA3500 with 4ohm 4x10 and I've always had plenty of juice with that.


    Just curious if others have been in similar situations. Would love to know your thoughts, thanks!

    PS if anyone has the V-4B with 2 each of the 2×12s, would love to pick your brain!
     
  2. Another cab.
     
  3. Jwood

    Jwood Supporting Member

    Jan 20, 2011
    Richmond, Va
    Agreed, get a second cab and the v4b will knock your socks off.
     
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  4. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    In my experience, in an outdoor show without PA, the V4B can struggle to keep up (with 2 Svt210av cabs). However, I’ve since purchased a 70’s V4 4x12 cab and replaced the speakers with pretty efficient Basslites, and it can get really loud, but I have not tried it outdoors yet.

    Have you tried to pair it with your 4x10? That may give you an idea of how well it can do for your shows.

    With the styles you play, I think the V4B, even with a 2nd cab, may just not have the guts.
     
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  5. RollCats

    RollCats

    Nov 19, 2018
    Austin, TX
    Yes but I do really want it to! Lol.

    Nice setup. What style do you play?

    And do you have experience with the SVT 3 Pro by any chance?
    Thanks!
     
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  6. jbd5015

    jbd5015

    Nov 23, 2009
    Boalsburg, PA
    Youll hit the limits of one cab with both of those heads. Do you not have enough FOH support on the outdoors gig?

    Having the extra cab would be the route i would go in that situation before buying another head.
     
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  7. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    Totally understand; I love the tone of my V4B, it’s by far my favorite of my 3 amps (V4B, TC Electronics BH250, Bugera BV1001T).

    Thanks! Currently 70-2000s rock (Stones, Hootie, Aerosmith, etc.) so the really low end notes aren’t necessary for the most part.

    Unfortunately not, but my Bugera BV1001T is a 3x 12AX7 tube pre and Class D solidstate power. It is loosely similar to the SVT3-Pro, and it drives all of my cabs (V4 and svt210avs) with much more low end authority. My octave pedal is more pronounced with the Bugera than the V4B. That said, it does not sound as sweet...
     
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  8. RollCats

    RollCats

    Nov 19, 2018
    Austin, TX
    I hopefully did although this sound guy was incompetent. I tend to run the gain hotter than I do in rehearsal or no PA gigs, as I want as much sweet tube tone going to the FOH. The consequence is less headroom for stage volume.

    I'm being kinda picky now that I think about it lol. It's a great setup, just thinking for the long run more than 'I need an upgrade'.
     
  9. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    If you do have FOH support for the outdoor stuff, you’ll be golden. The best way to get the optimal sound from that rig is to mic the cab, that way FOH get’s all the great tone of the power tube section. This also allows you to set gain and master at appropriate stage volume and let FOH handle the mix (assuming the sound tech is competent...)
     
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  10. RollCats

    RollCats

    Nov 19, 2018
    Austin, TX
    True. Budget wise it probably makes way more sense to invest in a quality mic than another cab. Thanks!!
     
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  11. I've had a 3 pro, now have a V4B (& an Orange AD200B. and Fender Super Bassman) but would favor the V4B by far as long as it'll meet volume needs.
    The 3 Pro ain't a lot louder (into same cabs). Iirc of course
     
  12. dan1952

    dan1952 Commercial User

    Jun 27, 2012
    Anderson IN
    Artist Endorsement with Supro Huntington Basses / Owner, Dan's Music, Inc..
    Sorry, but your Bugera is not even in the same universe as an Ampeg SVT Pro 3. It's like your Golden Gloves boxer vs. Ali...
     
  13. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    Fair enough; I have no experience with the SVT3 Pro, so I cannot compare, so I’ll defer to those who do. All I do know is that it has much more ooopfh to low end notes than my V4B, but the V4B all around sounds better to my ears.
     
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  14. dan1952

    dan1952 Commercial User

    Jun 27, 2012
    Anderson IN
    Artist Endorsement with Supro Huntington Basses / Owner, Dan's Music, Inc..
    I have had my SVT 3 Pro for 5 or 6 years, generally running it through a Peavey 210TX cab with replaced speakers (Eminence 350 watt rms 10's), 4 ohms total. I run the master volume on 10, adjust the preamp up from zero, tube gain on a little, maybe to 9 o'clock, EQ on, 33 Hz dropped out, everything else flat. All the power I will ever need, a ton of punch with a nice clear top end.
     
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  15. CRich0205

    CRich0205

    Feb 17, 2013
    Kansas
    More speakers will get you bottom and volume better than a slightly larger amp. If you have the car space can you do a 6 or 810? I ran a v4b 810 rig for a while and it was killer. Great tone and plenty of bottom. Generally you can find them pretty cheap. My small rig is a 212 but I take the 810 everywhere I can get away with it. Something to consider.
     
  16. jbd5015

    jbd5015

    Nov 23, 2009
    Boalsburg, PA
    Its a shame that the V4B didnt get the double DI option that the PF50T has. Youd be hard pressed to beat the convenience and tone of the Transformer Line Out. Its a balanced signal of the whole amp for the board. That way, the FOH gets the whole amp. Ive been using that on the PF50T instead of the MD421 i carry around to mic the cab.

    Id hope that the V4B with the SVT212 will get you the stage volume and tone you want, and a good FOH will just make it crank. You should get residual bass feel if your close enough to the subs.
     
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  17. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    Couldn’t agree more; Yamaha, are you listening? :D
     
  18. Wisebass

    Wisebass

    Jan 12, 2017
    Lost in Space
    Hi RollCats

    I already posted in the other "V4B or SVT3 pro thread"

    100 Watt isnot a lot! (even when it sounds :drool:)

    Before buying anything new: Did you ever send your V4B' s Signal to your Hartke?

    Use the V4B' s "Slave" output and the Hartke' s FX return. (that way the Hartke will work just like an ordinary poweramp without EQ)

    Drive your 212 AV as usual with the V4B (edit*) and the 410 with the Hartke.

    Just my thoughts (of course the "mixed cab police" will put me into jail for that :D)


    may the bass be with you

    Wise(b)ass

    edit: *(always have a cab connected to your V4B!!!)
     
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  19. DD Gunz

    DD Gunz

    Jun 18, 2015
    California
    IMO the SVT 3 Pro is not enough of a volume gain over the V4B to justify the expense. If volume is what your after, you would be better off with more speaker real estate IMO. An 810 will provide you with 56 more inches of speaker. If that doesn’t get you what you want, I would be looking at a Classic or VR for tube variants or an SVT 7 Pro for a hybrid option.

    The above recommendations are based on my assumption you want to stay with Ampeg.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
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  20. RollCats

    RollCats

    Nov 19, 2018
    Austin, TX
    Thanks! I didn't know the 7 Pro was hybrid. Or if it is it's only like 1 tube?
     
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