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Ampeg vs SWR

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by nevs, Apr 13, 2006.


  1. nevs

    nevs

    Apr 12, 2006
    Hi,

    I've got an Ampeg SVT 200t (250 at 8ohm; 350 at 4 ohm)with a 410HLF cab (4ohm).

    To get more power, I wanted to add an Ampeg 210he cab but it has 8 ohm so there I go with the impedance.....

    I'm thinking about gettin' rid of the Ampeg amp and buying a second hand SWR RED FACE amp (450 Watt at 2 Ohm
    350 Watt at 4 Ohm, 240 Watt at 8 Ohm).

    Any comments, good choice, bad choice????

    Thanks
     
  2. eastcoasteddie

    eastcoasteddie

    Mar 24, 2006
    NoVA
    well, it doesn't seem like switching to the SWR will make any difference in volume, it is still rated for 350 watts @ 4 ohms...
    You're already pushing 350 watts into the 410HLF cab, you'll be doing the same with the SWR. Why not get a more powerful head, like n SWR 750 (4-ohm) or something. Do you have the 210HE yet?
    If you pair up a 4 ohm and an 8 ohm cab, you're total resistance will be around 2.66 ohms. With this combo and the Red Face, you won;t be putting the full 450 watts through it, maybe 400...But the question is, is it safe for the electrinics to run that resistance ??? I don;t know, but I don't think it'll hurt anything of the amp is rated at 2 ohms. As long as you don't go lower than 2 you should be OK...
    Can the 200T be run at 2 ohms?...not sure either.

    I also have a 200T at this time, running two 8 ohm cabs. I'm going to get an SVT II one of these days, having a hard time parting with the cash...
     
  3. nevs

    nevs

    Apr 12, 2006
    Hi eastcoesteddie,

    Thanks for the reply!

    The 200t runs a minimum impedance of 4ohm.
    that's why I can't connect the 210 at this time.

    I don't have the 210 yet.

    Isn't it correct that a SWR amp (2ohm; 450 watt) with the 410HLF (4 ohm) and 210HE (8ohm) will give much more power than the current situation???
     
  4. Let me think about that for a while.
     
  5. OK. The answer is Ampeg.
     
  6. nevs

    nevs

    Apr 12, 2006

    OK..........but the AMPEG can't run under 4ohm of impedance...!
    So what do you suggest...another "expensive" Ampeg amp??
     
  7. EricF

    EricF Habitual User

    Sep 26, 2005
    Pasadena, CA
    There's used Ampegs out there, too. Lots of 'em.
     
  8. joelb79

    joelb79

    Mar 22, 2006
    Lansing, Michigan
    yeah what he said. used ampeg. This guy was taking 800$ on ebay for a SVT-IV Pro Head. that would be enough for ANY gig.

    Ampeg = Volume
    SWR = .... poop.

    Every time ive plugged into SWR, i have found the most sterile, useless, quiet tone i could EVER imagine. The only time i was happy with SWR was at a Blues Jam where the bass was through 4) 18's, which REALLY added to the volume, and a bag-end 4x10 was on stage, somehow that rig worked.

    But every time i plug into an ampeg amp, especialy the Classic 410HLF i can find a usable tone in seconds. Somehow, that just makes me warm and fuzzy. Just my back doesnt thank me.
     
  9. How much is the SWR and another cab gonna cost vs. a bigger Ampeg head?

    What kinda money can you get out of the 200T to put towards it?
     
  10. eastcoasteddie

    eastcoasteddie

    Mar 24, 2006
    NoVA
    You won't get MUCH more power out of the SWR at 2.66 ohms. You will get more than the 200T, but not MUCH. Like I said, at 2.66 ohms, you might be pushing 400 watts.
    I say sell the SVT and buy a used bigger amp
     
  11. nevs

    nevs

    Apr 12, 2006
    OK, appreciate it a lot !!!

    Any suggestions for a good ampeg head that will fit the 410HLF and give me the max of volume??
     
  12. SVT 4 pro
    SVT 2 pro
     
  13. brothernewt

    brothernewt Some people call me the stormtrooper of love...

    Apr 13, 2004
    Happyrock, OR
    svp-pro and a stewart 1.2 (or other large power amp of your choice).
     
  14. nevs

    nevs

    Apr 12, 2006
    Someone just offered me an Ampeg SVT II pro in exchange for my Ampeg SVT 200t + cash??

    Would that be a good deal and how much would I pay cash?:confused:

    Sorry, I'm so new at this and just wanna play!!!:bassist:

    Thanks
     
  15. throw_this_away

    throw_this_away

    Mar 30, 2006
    Get the SVT II pro... all tube... you can kill a man with the tone (and the weight of it). Just make sure all the tubes are ain working order and that the amp is fine.
     
  16. lowmid1

    lowmid1 Supporting Member

    Aug 16, 2002
    Baltimore, MD
    If it were me, I would avoid SWR like the plauge. Not because they aren't good amps but because SWR (the Fender version) has absolutely no customer service/support. If you have a problem, you are on your own.
    Although Ampeg was bought out as well, they provide excellent support for their products. I was very impressed when I needed them.

    The 4 Pro is a fantastic amp IMHO.
     
  17. sedan_dad

    sedan_dad Supporting Member

    Feb 5, 2006
    Columbus,Ohio
    S-silly
    W-wimpy
    R-rig

    Ampeg+Fender =Bass
     
  18. Pfft, the SVT-II non pro is even better, none of these girly add ons like a tuner out, even easier to kill with the tone and weight (sounds fuller and weighs 15lbs more :p )

    However, second hand real SVT of some variety all the way . . . and they can do 2 ohms!
     
  19. Thor

    Thor Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    I have a SWR SM900 and I am perfectly happy with it.
    Bought it used for 600 on TB classified.

    I can dial in any tone I like. Performs very well with 2 4x10
    SWR cabs I got USED. Your basic rig of doom. Nothing wimpy
    at all about it.

    Customer service? Pfft, as the third or fourth owner, there is
    no warranty. There is a amp guy around here who is pretty
    clever, and I would rather use him anyway, I trust him not to rape me.

    There is nothing wrong with Ampeg, they make nice amps.
    IMO I found the B2R to dark for me when I was shopping
    for amps last time. My back is not up to a SVT. YMMV. But there
    is nothing wrong with SWR's either. Depends on what you like for your tone.

    Also, along with your impedance mismatch, 66.6% of the
    power will be drawn by the 4 ohm cab, and 33% by the
    2x10 8 ohm cab.
    Not good.

    Here is a note posted on HCBF re the SVT200. It gets GREAT reviews there:

    And this leads me to my next suggestion. Sell the 4 ohm cab
    and get 2 8 ohm cabs in a configuration you like, 2 x 4x 10
    or 2x10 + 1x15 or 4x10 + 2x10 or 4 x10 + 1x15.

    Then you will have a well matched set of decent quality
    cabs matched to a head that gets rave reviews from blues
    and rock players.

    That solution makes much more sense.
     
  20. why is it a bad thing, 2x10 cab getting 1/3rd of the power 4x10 getting 2/3rds of the power, i may be wrong but doesnt that mean (more or less if they are about the same efficiency) that each 10 would be putting out about the same?
     

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