I'd like some genuine knowledge here. In my thrash metal band i have two of the most hard headed members alive (love em to death but their heads are made of steel). Anyways i (probably) know most about gear tone etc..... As well i am willing to put the time to set up and get good tone etc.. Now at a live gig its my impression that as a thrash band that Guitar MINIMUM half stack Bass same, prefferably full Drums well are drums (hopefully have monitor) and Vocals through PA So here is my example. Our last show we had to bring all our own amps because that was our end of the bargain to pitch in for this show (the other brand bringing drums and we couldn't use their guitar amp). So i am running a Ashdown MAG 300 through a Yorkville 410 and 115 which is plenty loud, I never have turn past 12 o'clock at gigs as well i have some great low end response. Guitar amp, well he has some money issues so he's running a Crate 120watt solid state 212 combo, as well he uses a terrible BOSS metalzone that cuts his frequencies so I can't hear him well. This amp was the best I could find used for him and the most he could afford at the time after his ughh Cube 60 blew. Got it 120$ used. Its a GREAT amp for the price and it works well for band practise as i only go through the 115 there, but for a show at a decent sized venue....ehhhhnnn. So before this i am worried about the sound and find some way to get my hands on a nice Peavey Tube amp with 412 cab to use for guitar at the show. I get it there and as i'm setting up my guitarist bitches at me like "The guitar amp is already mic'ed I don't see why you have to change it yadda yadda yadda. I ask the soundman how long it would take to mic, he said go for it it would take 2 minutes so i do. Guitarist and drummer still hold the argument that "everythings miced and we got monitors from the PA we don't need a different amp". So the opening band comes on, we're buddies with em and they ask if they were gonna use our amp anyways, while their other guitarist was also bringing a small 100watt 212 combo. Band plays set Guitarist 1 through peavey was getting a sick tone, he sounded better then ever that night and audible.... Guitarist 2 was not loud enough and hard to hear from a crowd perspective.... So my argument being, it doesn't matter if your getting PA support or not, if you are playing metal, you will need bid loud amps to get the sound and VOLUME that is required. Needless to say i wasn't to happy with my members, am i right is this justified? (OH PS my drummer also has the thought that when recording all tone can be effected and changed by studio tricks........which IMO makes no sense as why would people buy good gear in the first place? You need a good input to have good output) Seems to me they believe that amps don't matter as much as instruments, or they like to be "right". My guitarist thinks any guitar under 1000$ is not "pro", drummer thinks any amp can sound good with EQ.