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An amusing musical career semi-dilemma... opinions, please?

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by CJ_Marsicano, Jul 14, 2003.


  1. Take the offer and hang with them till I could get my own project together

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  2. Stick to my own vision, let those guys find someone else!

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    23.1%
  3. Sell out!

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  4. Take the offer, and hand them a mix CD of Stooges material to learn! :)

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  5. Sell your gear to some tineared Fieldy clone and take up electronic music

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  6. Keep ALL options open.

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  7. Have a carrot.

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  8. Have two carrots.

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  9. Have two carrots, some celery, and two pounds of snow crab legs. :D

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  10. Take a suggestion from Munjibunga and then ignore it completely.

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  1. Parallel to my search for collaborators for the band I want to form, I've been putting out feelers (read: freebie musician's classifieds online) for bands looking for a bassist.

    So far, the most "serious interest" was from a 'Modern Rock' band forming in the Stroudsberg area, about an hour away from me. I talked to the guy yesterday on the phone and in e-mail, and after getting some facts from him, told him I would not say yes or no right away.

    Here's the points I've been considering:

    Point A) Their definition of 'Modern Rock' is bands like Taproot, Cold, Oleander, Sevendust, Evanescense, Taint, Staind, etc... none of whom I ever listened to! In other words, after a little research on Pressplay, I have found that the music is a little heavier than the direction I was planning on going into (Stooges, Black Flag, Minutemen, fIREHOSE, Meat Puppets, Husker Du, Sonic Youth). They got my e-mail address and phone number from a post I made, but I can't fathom for the life of me how they thought a guy who listed The Stooges, Black Flag and TLC as his main influences as compatible with their musical vision (unless they translated THAT as either open-minded or completely ****ing oddball).

    Point B) They're a new band with no name, a temporary bassist borrowed from another band for practices (which may mean to me that they haven't been able to practice as much as they'd like), whose average age is about 7-8 years younger than yours truly.

    Point C) The guy flowed me their set list. They seem to have their act together in that respect.

    Point D) They did say they were open to doing other styles of material... wonderful attitude, but it remains to be seen how suggesting "Search And Destroy", "Rise Above", or "Paradise" would go over with these guys.

    Point E) They have two vocalists, one male (the guy I talked to) and one female (his girlfriend, who answered the phone when I called him). OK with me except I'm having acid flashbacks of the last ****ty cover band I was in just knowing that, because that band was led by two vocalists - one male, one female, and they were sexually involved with each other. (Sidebar: _Those_ guys were married briefly, and now the girl singer of that old band is married to the guy she's in a lounge act duo with... who coincidentally had to take my place as bassist at the last minute after I quit... what an irony!)

    An interesting situation. Like I told the guy, I couldn't say yes or no right away but I'd keep in touch.

    Out of curiosity, what would YOU do?
     
  2. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    I'd never say yes right away for anyone unless it was being asked to play bass for one of my musical heroes.

    The only thing wasted with getting together for a jam/audition is the time it takes to do it.
     
  3. Only

    Only

    Sep 8, 2002
    Warrensburg, MO
    I say ask Munji how he feels about being in a band with bandmember relationships. Those are a big honking red flag with sirens and sparklers to me.

    (That means not good).
     
  4. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    "Point A) Their definition of 'Modern Rock' is bands like Taproot, Cold, Oleander, Sevendust, Evanescense, Taint, Staind, etc... none of whom I ever listened to! In other words, after a little research on Pressplay, I have found that the music is a little heavier than the direction I was planning on going into (Stooges, Black Flag, Minutemen, fIREHOSE, Meat Puppets, Husker Du, Sonic Youth). "

    ??????? Those bands? Heavier than Husker and Sonic Youth?????? I would bet if those " modern rock" bands were asked their influences, the bands you mentioned would be at the top of the list. I'd never turn down an audition. If you don't fit in, and they know of another band looking, they might pass along your name?
     
  5. Point well taken. Here's what I was thinking while I was out running a couple of duties (I'm at work now):

    They've got some of their shiznit together as far as their set list goes, but they're also open to other ideas.

    I've been trying to get my own band together but the only serious interest I've had so far is from a singer. I've talked to a couple of guitarists since I started looking around, but no drummers.

    You never know - it couldn't hurt to come in and say to them, "You're a new band looking for a bass player, I'm looking to put a new band together, and you seem to be open to ideas beyond what you want to do here, so here's my offer..." ;)

     
  6. wulf

    wulf

    Apr 11, 2002
    Oxford, UK
    I'd go for a mutual audition - they need to find out what you're like and vice versa.

    If you get on well with them, enjoy jamming and find them open to letting you contribute then that's probably good. If not, then you can walk away knowing that you didn't leave that stone unturned.

    One thing to consider is how soon they're hoping to start playing out, and where their gigs are likely to be. I don't know the geography of your area, but there's a big difference to most of your gigs being somewhere between where you live and where you practise as opposed to another two hours beyond the practise location.

    You could also consider joining for a fixed time (say three months) with a plan to review how things are going after about two months. If it doesn't work out or you find yourself with a better setup nearer home you can walk away without dropping them in it (if they book gigs after the three month period without you announcing that you're going to stay on, its their own fault)

    Wulf
     
  7. Too true, too true. I told Bif Naked when I interviewed her last fall that I feel like telling most of the nu-metal bands out there to stop ripping off what Black Flag did on side two of My War. Her response was something to the effect of, "True, but on the other hand most of the kids out there haven't heard the originals."
     
  8. Very tempting here. Like I said, they did flow me their set list to date via e-mail, and I e-mailed the same cat I talked to last night and asked him if he could find out what tunings his guitarist was using for the songs (I found a transcription of one of the Staind songs they have in the set in an old Guitar World and the bass' tuning is a step and a half lower than normal... and that's on a fiver with a low B! :eek:

     
  9. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Cripe! I am SO unhip! I have not ever even heard of a single one of these bands. Lordy.
     
  10. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I've heard of every single one of them. I think I might be unhip too...
     
  11. ...and yet this guy accused _me_ of being "linear" in my thinking re: the musical intentions I have for my own band! :eek:

    I think it's time munji gave up his ted kazinsky-like log cabin existence and joined the twenty-first century. it's only a couple of years old and he could be caught up in no time! :D

     
  12. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    My recollection is that I assessed you as "linear" as the result of your hatred of the local music scene because it didn't conform to your very specific musical tastes.

    As for me, there's only one band I need to listen to: the Best Rock and Roll Band of All Time, The Doobie Brothers.
     
  13. g,

    the doobie brothers are a fine band, but they really haven't done anything revolutionary to earn the exaggerated honorific you've bestowed upon them.

    "revolutionary", for the record, would be beatles/stones/stooges/ramones/clash territory, capece?

    cj

     
  14. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses, Hipshot products
    unless I LOVED their music, I wouldn't go near them. being an hour away from me would be a good jumping off point. the boyfriend girlfriend thing is something i don't think i've EVER seen work out, not at least since the Captain & Tennille. they're just starting out, so it means there's going to have to be a lot of time and energy invested. most importantly, it doesn't sound like something you REALLY want to do. sounds more like, "well, it's the best offer i've got so far, maybe i should take it just in case."

    since you want to get your own project going i would think you would want to put most of your energy into that. i'd wait for an established band to come along, and one that i liked. if a band has laid all the groundwork down you can save sooooooo much work and time by just jumping in and reaping the benefits of the work the guy/girl who was there before you put in :D.

    why waste time with a band you seem to have lots of doubts about? during that time lots of other opportunites could be slipping by.
     
  15. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    nyuk, nyuk, nyuk