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Another EBay Debate

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by popinfresh, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. popinfresh


    Dec 23, 2004
    Melbourne, Aus
  2. the way things work with musical equipment its the equivilant of $500 ( £1 : $1 ratio )
  3. That is a very good price I think, [quickly trying to do the conversion maths and failing].

    Correction. That is a fantastic price. If I was in the market for one, I would jump at this auction.

  4. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    But it's an online auction - that's why the psychology of eBay is so insidious...:meh:

    What'll happen is that people will hold their bids until a few minutes before the end - then those who saw it as a bargain will get drawn in and try to keep it and then it will end up going for more than if you bought it in a shop...:meh:

    I was watching a programme on the BBC yesterday morning where it was saying how so many people in the UK make their living out of selling on eBay as it is always more than 100% profit - whereas when they had a real shop, the profit margin was much, much lower!! :scowl:
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Also - seller has zero feedback - very high risk!!
  6. Aguilar/Dave B.

    Aguilar/Dave B. Aguilar Amplification Commercial User

    Nov 8, 2003
    New York City
    President: Aguilar Amplification
    I don't want to discourage anyone from getting a good deal. However...
    the seller implies that the amp has a ten year warranty since the warranty card is not filled out. We will sometimes ask for store reciept as well if we don't know the history of the amp, as the warranty is not transferable past the original owner. I have seen this same description and set of pictures previously listed on ebay. You should find out the serial number. Could be a great deal; but be careful.

    Dave B.
  7. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I've seen this thing happen quite a lot recently - just on auctions pointed out around here.....:meh:

    So where people have obviously copied pictures from a previous auction - say, of a bass - when they don't actually own the item in question...:mad:

    The more I see, the more I am confirmed in my opinion that

    eBay = very good for sellers!
    eBay = very bad or at least fraught with danger for buyers....:meh:
  8. Aj*


    Jun 14, 2005
    West Yorkshire, UK
    I refuse to buy something like that from eBay unless the seller accepts local collection and cash on pickup. That's the only safe way. Great price though I gotta admit.
  9. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Not if the seller doesn't actually own the item in question...:meh:
  10. popinfresh


    Dec 23, 2004
    Melbourne, Aus
    Hmm, I missed the 0 feedback.

    Asking for the serial would be a good idea..
  11. I agree completelly, i always want to make sure the amp is working, because some ppl cant be trusted, and also because i dont like the idea of an amp going through the postal service :scowl:
  12. Hey everyone,

    Just for info and with no judgement attached !!

    I sent a question to the guy yesterday requesting serial no and other details. I also asked if collection for cash was OK. So far no reply :eyebrow:


  13. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    As a salutary reminder - did UK people see this story on the News last week ?

    Last Updated: Friday, 28 October 2005, 19:00 GMT 20:00 UK

    How eBay fraudsters stole £300k
    Three Romanian fraudsters have been jailed for conning eBay customers out of £300,000. How did they do it? And how can eBay's bidders avoid it happening to them?

    Nicolae and Adriana Cretanu operated from London

    Nicolae Cretanu, 30, his 23-year-old wife, Adriana, and George Titar were carrying on the world's oldest fraud tradition: Taking payments for goods they never intended to deliver.

    Mr and Mrs Cretanu would place adverts on eBay for everything from cars to concert tickets. Some of these items were genuine, others were imaginary.

    The couple would then wait until the end of the auction, when they would contact unsuccessful bidders and offer them a "second chance" to buy the goods.

    Every eBay customer can be contacted through the site and their e-mail addresses are often freely available. But the website stresses that this is the point at which the transactions move out of what it calls the "protected environment".

    "The criminals used the site to gather information and initially to contact their victims but carried out the fraud separately, beyond the protected environment we provide," an eBay spokesman says.

    Fake passports

    The victims were urged to wire cash as quickly as possible to England, using Western Union money transfer, to be in with a chance of receiving the goods.

    Using a series of fake passports and identities, the fraudsters would collect the cash from Western Union's outlets.

    George Titar would collect the cash
    Western Union says its money transfer services are not intended for use on websites such as eBay. It warns that their customers should never send money to people they do not know personally.

    Despite jailing the three Romanians, police warn that their criminal network - and their scam - is still very much alive.

    So how can eBay's customers avoid being ripped off? Gareth Griffith, the website's head of security, urged bidders not to lose their common sense.

    "You have the same responsibility you have when you're walking down the road and some guy tries to offer you a lap-top [computer].

    "He says 'give me the money now and I'll go get it, I promise you'. Well, you wouldn't do that."

    Bidders should always be wary of direct contact from sellers offering to sell "off-eBay" and of anyone asking for payment through money transfer, the site's spokesman advised.

    eBay also said that payments through Western Union are now banned on their US sister site, eBay.com, and a similar move is expected from eBay.co.uk.
  14. I've just sold a Trace Elliot combo on eBay. I'm happy, the buyer is happy. It's all good.

    The reality is, more people have success with eBay - buying and selling - than disasters. You only usually hear the bad.

    eBay is fine if you do your research, ask the right questions, and act sensibly.

    Let's keep it in perspective.
  15. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    The perspective is that this auction looks decidedly "dodgy"!! :meh:
  16. I agree 100%. I would also respectfully suggest that anyone who didn't find that immediately obvious should step away from eBay and do a little bit of background reading...!
  17. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well that's why I mentioned that eBay was 'insidious' as several people replying to this thread, as well as its starter, seemed to have been drawn into the "lust for a bargain" that it generates!! :meh:
  18. That's life though, Bruce. The world is full of temptation - not just eBay.

    'Look before you leap', and all that.

    Like I say, the vast majority are sensible and trade without a problem.
  19. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Having worked with large numbers of the general public in Britain, I would say the vast majority, never had any to start with!! ;)
  20. mrbassman_de

    mrbassman_de Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2003
    Hi folks !

    Be extremely careful with that seller and obviously also with that offer !!!!! :mad:

    I looked for a DB750 a few month ago and I have seen EXACTLY THE SAME PICTURES - also offered from a UK seller. The guy told me that he'd stop the auction at a BIN price of 1.000 $, payable cash by Western Union !!! I promised to pay that and to proceed with the deal but later I stopped the WU transfer before he could check it out. I asked him to tell me his detailed contact address for verification - also told him that I'd pay by bank wire because of the many warnings at ebay not to pay by WU.

    As soon as the seller noticed that, the auction as well as the seller immediately disappeared from ebay ..... no chance to catch him ...

    So read my advise: Be careful !!!