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Another lightweight combo thread

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by tallboybass, Nov 30, 2004.


  1. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    I've done a search and can't find the info I'm looking for.

    Gotta have a super lightweight combo (under 40 lbs.) that sounds great, is small and light, and doesn't need an extension cab to get loud.

    Possible contenders:
    SWR Baby Baby Blue
    Eden CXC110
    GK MB150S112

    So far I've only tried the SWR Baby Baby Blue and it sounds awesome, but I don't think it would be loud enough and volume is a big issue.

    What is the loudest, best sounding combo under 40#? (hopefully well under)

    Thanks, Alan
     
  2. M.R. Ogle

    M.R. Ogle Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 5, 2004
    Mount Vernon, Illinois
    Backstage Guitar Lab owner
  3. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    EA 500 Wizzy Combo
     
  4. I'll vouch for the eden cxc110. Retail is around $1100. I paid like 650 new. I have since added the ext. cab at 200 but do not always need it.

    Very powerful combo and awesome preamp. Has lots of features that are actually useful.

    Full range
    Tuned to 37 hz. Goes all the way to 20Khz.

    optical compressor

    "Warm" circuit (half-wave even order harmonic distortion with adjustable level). Not a tube, but a high tech IC. First one I have heard that sounds better than a singe cheapo 12AX7A pre.

    optical boost circuits that boost either lows, highs or both and automatically cut off if overdriven.

    tone defeat for signal purity

    point-source tweeter for unoffensive highs
    (and killer off-axis response: 100 degrees. Even ext. cab has the tweet but can be attenuated or defeated.)

    2 ohm stable- 420 watts
    330 w/ 8 0hm ext. cab.

    cd/stereo input to use as a party system or mini PA. Not stereo output, however.

    killer DI- level, pre or post e.q.

    no cheesey graphic e.q.

    no unsuable sub-harmoic octaver effect

    Dislikes:

    Even though the "warm" IC in this preamp "feels" and sounds more like a power amp tube being overdriven, I wish they stuck a placebo 12AX7A in there to make me feel better. I hate the label "solid state" "Hybrid" would sound nicer as a marketing matter.

    Heavy for its size. 39 lbs. It is like the thing is solid.
     
  5. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Thanks M.R. and Mike, the Nemesis is too heavy and the EA stuff is two pieces and much $$$. I'm handicapped and even 40# is pushing it weight-wise. Got a casino gig (yes, in Oklahoma) and need to bring a superlightweight all-in-one rig. Tiltback with rollers would be a plus.

    Much appreciation, Alan
     
  6. Phil Jones Bass Briefcase

    Acoustic Image COntrabass OCmbo
     
  7. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Wow angelopb, that Eden sure sounds like what the doctor ordered! Where did you get it for $650?

    Alan
     
  8. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    angelopb, have you used either of these and if so, are they as loud as the Eden?

    Thanks, Alan
     
  9. I have not A/B'd them with the Eden, but would put that eden up against those. Hard to find either in the stores. I hear good things about both.

    You can get castors for any amp. I have not becasue I like the option of stacking.

    edited:
    I bought mine from a mom and pop store and had them do a phone order "dropped shipped" to my house from Eden's distributor in Chicago. Be happy to give the name but I am sick of plugging this guy. Unfortunately, everyone else rips you off for Eden. This guy loves to undercut the superstores, since he and many others who have been in business for 30+ years have taken a major hit.
     
  10. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Thanks for all your input angelopb, any other combos out there with heavyweight sound and lightweight portability?

    Alan
     
  11. Humblerumble

    Humblerumble

    Feb 22, 2004
    VA.
    Mesa Walkabout Scout. I think it is 49 pounds but it sounds awesome. 300watts and I have never heard any combo compete with it. JMHO.
     
  12. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Well, the Wizzy Combo is close to 40 lbs (44 lbs), and packs a whole lotta tone and volume in a small package. I haven't tried the combo, but I own two Wizzy's and several EA amps, and I would imagine that this would be a killer setup.

    I also own a Walkabout head, and with all the good things that I have heard about the combo, I feel comfortable recommending the Scout, as well. It may be too heavy for you, though.

    I have tried the Eden Time Traveler 10 Combo, which seems like it is quite similar to the CXC110 mentioned above. It was pretty nice sounding, but didn't seem that loud to me. I would expect the Walkabout Scout to be significantly louder (albeit slightly heavier). I did own a Phil Jones Briefcase, and have another one on its way to me (the first one was a pre-production model, and was sent back because the battery-powered option didn't work quite right). Volume wise, the Briefcase is very loud for its size, but not as loud as the Eden or other combos mentioned. Interestingly, though, when I used the power amp section (which is tiny!) to power my Bergies (HT/EX112), it was incredibly loud for the rated 100w into 4 ohm, and far exceeded my expectations.
     
  13. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Oh, and if you can ever find a Hevos Midget Combo, it would be well worth checking out. I own the unpowered Midget cab, and it is phenomenal!
     
  14. I love the mesa walkabout scout. But I picked it up and it did not pass my "single trip" test. Too heavy and bulky to leave in my car but would agree has the best volume-size-weight ratio. It has an $1100 price tag and, like Bose, everyone pays the same price. They don't deal on Mesa.

    I think it uses a 12 and is much bigger and felt more like 60 lbs. But I am sure somebody will post what it weighs. The power section is like 300 watts @ 4 ohms and I hear it is under-rated. I love the idea of the passive radiator. I have an old Velodyne sub that uses a similiar design and really like the air movement at low volume levels.

    I think it outclasses the Eden because it uses a 12 and passive radiator and is bigger and heavier and has a more expensive street price. Ditto for the EA 112.

    The Eden has the same power at 4 ohms (330), but does not come loaded with a 4 ohm driver.

    But if anyone knows where to get a new Mesa Walkabout Scout (or even a used one) for under 700, let me know. Before I got the Eden I searched, and it eluded me. The hevos midget also has a 1200+ price tag, assuming you can get it on this side of the pond.

    I really do not know of a more powerful 10 than the Eden cxc110 other the the Ashdown ABM 500 110. But that is another story.
     
  15. vanselus

    vanselus

    Sep 20, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    None
    Not true - the EA comes in a few different versions of one-piece combos, including the Wizzy 200 combo that's a lot less money, and you can sometimes find them used too.

    Also, the new Epifani combos should prove to kick bootron.
     
  16. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Thanks again for all the feedback.

    The Mesa sounds like it would be perfect if it weighed 10-15# less.

    Where does the GK fit in comparison with these amps? The weight is right in the ballpark, if it sounds decent.

    Alan
     
  17. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Looks like the lightest Epifani combo is 48# but I'm sure they're awesome!

    Ditto the 44# EA Wizzy.

    I've got one leg that doesn't work very well and a long trip to the stage with stairs involved. That's why I'm being so fussy about the weight.

    Thanks, Alan
     
  18. I am sure no matter what you get the casino may have a cart or something or someone to help you. They are loud and large with lots of slots and stuff going on.
     
  19. bmc

    bmc

    Nov 15, 2003
    Switzerland
    Ampeg Portabass systems with telescopic handle?
     
  20. johnnymac2201

    johnnymac2201

    Aug 16, 2004
    Don´t forget the SWR Workingman 10. Not as hi-fi as the baby blue but louder and only weighs 32 lbs.