Another locking with the kick drum question...

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by MalcolmAmos, Jan 1, 2015.

  1. Rhythm, my next frontier that needs to be crossed. I would think that each drummer would have 6 or 7 basic drum patterns that they rely upon. One of the drummers I play with said that when he first started out he learned 26 patterns and his instructor would call a number and he was to fall into that pattern.

    I don't need 26 patterns, however, I would like to work with a few. Anyone know where I can get an audio CD, download or whatever of some named patterns.

    I want to be able to hear and then identify what pattern is being played. Be able to hear and then say to myself; "OK that's ole # 6". Or that's basic swing, or bossa, or that's straight 8's, etc. I'm more comfortable if I'm able to identify and name, what is happening.

    Thanks for your help.
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  2. Clef_de_fa

    Clef_de_fa Guest

    Dec 25, 2011
    well the thing is ... the cliché lines combine both notes and rythm not just rythm that all fit with the harmony
  3. Jon Moody

    Jon Moody Commercial User

    Sep 9, 2007
    Kalamazoo, MI
    Manager of Brand Identity & Development, GHS Strings, Innovation Double Bass Strings, Rocktron
    This. I work with three different drummers at church (week to week, not at the same time), and they all play completely different "patterns" over the same congregational songs, especially the one that plays a "hybrid" kit (half typical drumset, half hand percussion). Being able to lock in with the player (starting with as simple as just hearing the bass drum or snare) is much more useful than picking out patterns and laying stock grooves over that. Especially when they're playing a straight ahead rock thing and you're putting three over it.
  4. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    If you get caught up in patterns, you stop listening. Never stop listening.
  5. belzebass


    Feb 21, 2012
    Try the book "Bass Grooves" by Ed Friedland. It goes through typical drum/bass styles, describes in detail what drums usually play, what bass plays, and variations of both. Really a solid resource.
    And you'll have fun toying with the drum machine!

    Or another one (more complete and complicated) would be "Essential Styles for Drummer and Bassist" by Steve Houghton and Tom Warrington. Very useful.

    After these books, you'll always have something to talk about with the drummers :)
  6. El Spearo

    El Spearo

    Jun 12, 2012
    Wellington, NZ
    I am originally a drummer (20 odd years) and have never played by "numbered patterns". As they have said, listen. Yes there are standard patterns that you use over certain styles, but there are variations within those styles. Sometimes I would listen to what the bassist was doinf to decide what i would do with my bass drum. Listen, adapt, and roll with it. It is (or at least it should be) an enjoyable experience. m2c
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  7. Thanks guys. Once again I'm over-thinking it.
  8. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Inactive

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv

    I listen to the drummer and the guitar player. I think about songs, not patterns. For the style of music I play and the band I play in, I try to lock with the drummer and compliment what the guitarist is playing.
  9. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    how good is your rhythm notation reading?
    For me it was the writing and reading that helped my rhythm the most
    Eliminating guesswork and intuitive fudging in exchange for hearing and nailing specific subdivisions reliably
    Not so much locking in with the drummer as locking in with myself.
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  10. Nick von Nick

    Nick von Nick Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2014
    I agree with a lot of this thread - a lot about locking in with the bass drum is about listening to the nuances of each drummer, but also about understanding the patterns you hear (ultimately, our ears are our greatest assets, so never discount training them!!!).

    With regard to patterns, a lot of the music I play follows a drum machine (not sure if that's a sin or not...welcome to the goth/industrial world, I suppose), so I am very often in a "pattern-oriented" setting. Still, I like to make sure I get all my musical senses properly attuned, so I frequently like to marry the patterns with which I work to my listening skills.

    At a recent gig, I knew that I needed to follow the kick/snare pattern almost verbatim; this is where my listening skills took control. I grabbed some staff paper, and, ears ready, I started notating each kick and snare hit. Granted, I've been reading music for twenty years, so I am accustomed to notation, but the idea of listening to a pattern and repeating it (either by playing it back precisely or writing it out on a staff) remains the same.

    All in all, taking something you hear and turning it into something you can play/understand is really a critical skill.

    I can offer some advice from experience: take short fragments of music and transcribe them. Find any rhythm that you find interesting: a bass drum groove, a bassline, or even a tricky vocal line, and learn to play it back. If you can't read music, learn the lines aurally. If you can read music, try writing down everything you hear. I'm no groove master, but this kind of ear/groove training combination really helped me a lot.

    I hope that helps!

    ~Nick "Klaus" G.
  11. The drummer was likely referring to the 26 rudiments. They are best described as rudimental patterns originally developed for marching band, commonly used in fills. They are not names for various beats in the way that you are thinking. Think of them like a bassist or guitarist thinks of scales or modes.

    Most drummers should be able to respond to instruction such as "playing straight time", "swing time" or a "shuffle". There are plenty of variations of course, but this is the type of communication that works.
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  12. 10-4 on those 26 patterns being High School marching band stuff. I do need to know the difference in swing and shuffle and will keep looking just to satisfy my own curiosity....
  13. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    Remember my work Malcom? This is exactly what you need ;-)
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  14. Sylvain, looks like one of these days I am going to have to break down and spend $60 for your book. Got some Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket, but, need to look inside before I spend that kind of money on a how to book.

    I know........ I squeak when I walk.
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  15. Whousedtoplay


    May 18, 2013
    Groove Essentials from Tommy Igoe:

    Rock Grooves:

    Funk Grooves:

    R&B/Hip-Hop Grooves:

    Jazz/Swing Grooves:

    World/Ethnic & Special Grooves:
    Tommy Igoe Groove Essentials 2.0 DVD

    Steve Fidyk Beat Poster

    7 Beats Every Drummer Should Know

    Basic Beats Every Drummer Must Know

    P.S. Get a free app, "Hydrogen" and program those Tommy's beats.
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