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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Hevy T, Aug 8, 2018.
any idea if there is some kind of beast like that on the horizon?
Not in the immediate future, but if there is enough interest then it's something that might be considered.
Any forum comments or interest?
I would not be interested in such an animal myself. It would not fit any needs that I have.
Not that I am against combo's. I used a Walkabout 12 combo for several years before I finally just pulled the head and used it with bigger, more efficient cabs.
A Subway combo would not have this problem with 800w of power on tap and 2ohms stable operation. But still, I would not vote for such a combo.
With all of the gnashing of teeth over which subway cab to use, can you imagine the amount of complaining if someone’s favorite was not offered in the combo version? And then there’s the regular vs plus question. That’s potentially 6 new skus
I still use my WA 112 combo occasionally and it is the only combo I have owned in many years. However, given the size and weight of individual components (like the SW line) and how convenient they are to transport, I think they have almost made combos at the higher price point level obsolete. The individual components are also more flexible/easily tailored for specific needs and involve no compromises in design.
I still see combos being a great option for new players or folks with simple needs and smaller budgets. At the SW level I just don't think a lot of musicians are all that interested in combos over individual components. Just think about all the cab swapping combinations folks are doing to fine tune their sound with SW rigs - that tells me something right there about how much individual components are valued/appreciated.
I would look to the acoustic market, both upright and ABG. Less power required, and benefits of all in one design help to offset the big bass schlep. Having said that, such an amp would work just as well for lower volume electric.
Single 10” plus a smooth tweet (dome), and two channels with xlr / 1/4” combo inputs, phantom power and reverb, maybe a few other fx. Similar to the Mesa acoustic amp but with low end extension. I prefer single 10” v 2x8” fwiw. 200-300 Watts, extension speaker out.
I use a combo along these lines all the time for acoustic trio. Each of us is self contained, I use one channel for my ABG and the other for mic, handles both monitors and mains duty at low volume. I’ve also at times plugged in two mics and used for a small PA.
Would also recommend some kind of tilt back for close monitoring, and a socket for mounting on a stick.
If something like that were available from Mesa I would have paid more for it then my current rig, though I have no complaints about what I’m using now.
Sounds like you would LOVE a Rosette combo
The easiest way to handle it (in my view) would be to pick one Subway cab and make it modular.
Let's say it's the 1-12. Every single 1-12 made would come with a removable plate allowing for the mounting of a Subway head (much like the Walkabout Scout only the hole would be covered when there's no head mounted in it).
It would only be sold separately. If you want a combo, get the head and a 1-12 cab.
Problem solved without the headaches of designing a bunch of different combos.
Just one guy's opinion.
I definitely looked at the Rosette on Mesa’s site, but seems to be oriented towards guitar. Haven’t seen one in person to try it out.
Basically what was done with the Genz Benz Shuttles
It was designed for all acoustic instruments. Including upright bass
What would be the point? The Subway heads are light enough to easily carry in a shoulder bag (which is provided), so having them separate from the cab doesn't require any extra trips to load/unload for a gig.
but if you had a D800/800+ which was removable from the combo, it would make it easier to use with bigger/multiple cab configs.
But that is what already exists. Unless the combo itself is desirable for some reason, there is no point.
got it. I already voted no on a Subway combo myself.
but ... there are folks who do benefit from combo's and if it had a removable amp, it would make it more versatile.
I rolled a Walkabout 12 around to about a million low volume rehearsals and small gigs before I just pulled the head from that combo and went with different cab configs.
Thanks for setting me straight @monkeyland! IMO the answer to OP’s question is that the SW combo already exists, it’s called Rosette! I just read through the manual a bit, and as you say it mentions acoustic bass... I suspect it would sound great on electric as well. One of these is very likely in my future....
This would (only) be appealing at big box stores, IMHO. If that’s a strategy Mesa decides to pursue, it could work. I could see the right price point being tough to achieve though.
There are Rosettes being used for upright and cello too.
At reasonable volumes, it's pretty flat and accurate but does not have anywhere near the low frequency extension of the Subways.
Who needs a Combo when you can have
best of both Worlds!!