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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by emblymouse, Jul 6, 2008.
How's your intonation up the neck? What gauge strings do you have on it?
Not sure, although there was one for sale in the Classifieds a while back.
People sell those things!
I know if i had one I'd treasure it. It's actually really hard for me not to order one and make myself save for other things
Eh, bass retention and loyalty isn't a top priority for lots of players. Sometimes boutique players buy stuff they can't quite afford and sell when they get hit with any sort of bill. Sometimes they're too much of a "flavor of the week" type player.
subscribed. I was also interested in the impact of the non-adjustable bridge on intonation. I guess acoustic guitarists deal with it, so I guess it would be OK. Curious though.
I assume Rob would use the same strings as he does on the fretless, 60-70-97-115 tape wounds.
Last I checked, Rob was using some LaBella Slappers on the fretted+mag Meese. I believe the goal was to get a Hohner vibe, but have amazing construction.
I can't comment on the intonation as I don't think I plan on ordering a fretted Rob Allen.
ah, that would make sense. I too don't have a lot of interest in a fretted RA, but am interested in the 'fixed bridge/intonation' thing in general.
Bingo- I bought it. I specifically lusted for a fretted Mouse as my fretless needs are taken care of. It appears there are few of these around, so much the better! I will regale everyone with it's awesomeness some other time.
Anyway, I did notice the intonation being pretty uniformly sharp on all strings up the neck, hence my post. Since then, I looked at the bridge more closely and it is not toally fixed, the bone and wood 'saddle' is held in place by the strings, and there was a little wiggle room to scoot it back. Vast improvement! (he said, relieved). The E is still a little squirrely, but show me any short scale that isn't. With a little modification, I can probably get it closer to fine.
Rob strings these with a 40-60-80-100 set. The strings on the bass now may be a heavier set. So what remains an open question to y'all is: does string gauge have an effect on intonation? If all things remain equal, would a heavier gauge string by increasing tension, cause the fretted string to play sharper?
Personally I prefer the heavier gauges when it comes to strings and not only do i prefer the feel but I also think they are easier to intonate. Could just be me though.
You might also have some adjustment room with the truss rod. No idea which way this changes it.
I am guessing but fairly sure... the larger the string gauge the longer the actual scale needs to be. The G string's (thinnest guage) saddle is generally really close to 34 inches and intonated properly. The other thicker strings get progressively longer speaking lengths (move the saddles away from the neck) to make up for their guage. (Also raising the action (saddle height) gives the string a longer speaking length, as well as tightening the truss rod... which gives a longer straighter neck.) All of the other things besides actually moving saddles (saddle action and truss) only affects intonation very little by themselves but it can be significant if you add them up.
So yes changing string gauges definitely affects intonation.
This one I am less sure about but suspicious of. If you have 2 different brands of the same guages it may affect intonation too. My only guess why would be tension which affects the truss rod adjustment. I can't imagine flatwounds and steel strings of the same gauge would have the same intonation settings but I could be wrong on that, or it may just be negligible.
Thanks Joe, this is what my intuition says to me. Do we have any physics buffs inthe audience?
Any chance of a photo or two so that TB rules can be adhered to, especially the one that says no photo = no bass
Seriously any Rob Allen needs to be shared with everyone.
I can't say my fretted Mb2 has any significant intonation problems (but then again, my sense of pitch is marginal at best).
is a shorter scale instrument more or less sensitive to intonation issues?
I would more sensitive as the margin for each note is slightly shorter.
Good luck playing that fretless.
I hereby swear that my bass really exists as per TB rules of order...
This is the first Rob Allen I've seen with a painted top. I dig it, it's more a rock and roll vibe and a nod to the Danelectro coppertops. #345, it's an early one.
Rob used to paint some of them. There was a sunburst MB1 at BassNW a while back and I knew a guy who had a 32" scale Mouse with frets and mags.
My next one will have a redwood top, but I might consider a paint job somewhere down the line.
I'd love to own a Mouse, but it would get so little use. I played one at a GTG and they have probably the closest tone to an upright that I've heard in a bass. But my needs for having an upright tone are very few
That is exactly why I went for a fretted one. I've got and Clevinger EUB and a beautiful fretless Kubicki already. Frets + rounds + a rock n' roll attitude and this Mouse roars like a big, old school hollowbody. With the pickups spaced so wide there is quite a range to be had. No tone control! How rock is that?