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Anybody have any info on this?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by superbassman2000, Nov 5, 2005.

  1. Basstyra

    Basstyra Commercial User

    Apr 3, 2005
    CTO @ Two notes Audio Engineering

    I don't, but I am curious !!
  2. TaySte_2000


    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Finally I'll be getting me one of them as long as its not stupidly expensive, looks kinda like an echoplex in a pedal.

    Hmmmmm want
  3. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    I smell the kind of price that will suddenly make the Boomerang look cheap.
    You don't need that much stuff on a loop box anyway. But you want a foot control for volume, which is missing.
  4. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    How odd that you Europeans understood the English on that site.

    I'm still translating...
  5. Bassmanbob

    Bassmanbob Supporting Member

    I just bought a RC 20-XL, but I wanted echoplex type looping. This should be interesting.
  6. TaySte_2000


    Jun 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Endorsing Artist: Mojohand, Subdecay, Overwater, Matamp
    Hows this I lifted from another forum

    -Works like 3 RC-20XLs
    -Each "Phrase" can be independently recorded/played back/overdubbed
    -On/off states of each "Phrase" can be controlled freely
    -A "Patch" consists of three "Phrases" (i.e. it's a 3-stereo-track-looper)

    -Two "Play Modes";
    a. Multi Mode - 3 Phrases in a Patch can be combined freely
    b. Single Mode - Switching between 3 Phrases

    -Max recording time: 24 min (stereo)/49 min (mono)
    -one shot/reverse/fade in "etc." playback modes
    -Fade outs and Loop ending settings can be adjusted even when phrases are not
    being played back

    -Sub Out can be assigned to specific Phrases or the guide tone
    -Max. 4 exp.pedals/footswitches

    -Playback speed can be altered in realtime, by tap tempo or via expression
    -Can force Phrases of different tempos to play back in the same tempo ("Tempo
    Sync" feature)
    -Loop Quantize during recording
    -MIDI tempo sync

    -USB Connectivity
    -Settings can be stored on computer
    -WAV import/export (16 bit/44.1kHz/Stereo/Mono)
    -Comes with a Loop Phrase CD


    What features are new on the RC-50 compared to the RC-20XL?

    Max. recording time: 49min (mono)
    3 simultaneous Phrases max.
    Storage of 297 Phrases max.
    379 rhythm patterns
    7 pedals
    Connectivity for 4 external footswitches
    Expression (?)
    Sub Outs
    MIDI In/Out
    Playback Speed Realtime Control
    MIDI tempo sync

    What can you control off the expression pedals?
    Phrase Level,
    Phrase Pan,
    Current Level (the level of the "Current Phrase")
    Current Pan (panning of the "Current Phrase")
    Guide Level
    Patch Level
    Patch Tempo
    note: the "Original Tempo" cannot be controlled from the exp.ped.

    Level and Tempo ranges are as follows:
    Level: 0 - 200
    Tempo: 40-250

    So how does the "tempo" feature work in relation to playback speed? Can
    Phrases with different tempos be played back at the same tempo, or in other
    words, in sync?

    "Original Tempo" / "Patch Tempo":

    When a Phrase is recorded, its tempo settings are stored as an "Original
    Every patch can have a tempo setting independent of the Original Tempos, and
    this Patch info is called the "Patch Tempo".

    Every Phrase may have a different tempo. Let's take this example --

    Phrase 1: 100bpm
    Phrase 2: 120bpm
    Phrase 3: 80bpm

    In such a situation, we don't know what the master tempo is. This is where the
    "Patch Tempo" comes in. You can have each Phrase lock to the Patch Tempo, or
    not. Elaborating on the above scenario, you can have a setting like this:

    Phrase 1: 100bpm / Tempo Sync: ON
    Phrase 2: 120bpm / Tempo Sync: ON
    Phrase 3: 80bpm / Tempo Sync: OFF

    When you apply a Tempo Sync, Phrases having different Original Tempos will play
    in sync, with the same Tempo.
    Assuming a Patch Tempo of 120, playback of the above example will be as follows:

    Phrase 1: Playback speed will be faster than the original recording (100bpm),
    at 120bpm.
    Phrase 2: Playback speed happens to be the same as the original (120bpm).
    Phrase 3: Tempo Sync is off, so playback speed will not be altered.

    -Expression Pedal Control of Patch Tempo
    The Patch Tempo can be altered in realtime from an expression pedal such as the
    max. and min. values for the tempo are user-defineable.

    When recording on top of a prerecorded Phrase, can I record just the new stuff
    onto a different phrase?

    In Multi Mode, the playback/recording of three different snippets can be set
    totally independent of each other.

    An example would be to record on Phrase 1, then record something on Phrase 2
    while Phrase 1 is playing back.

    You can also overdub on the same Phrase, if you so wish.

    Can you record simultaneously off the Inst., mic, and Aux inputs?

    Yes. All inputs will be mixed and recorded within the same Phrase.
    Adjustments can be made from the Input Level section.

    It's not possible to record the different input sources on independent tracks
    (Phrases) though.

    Terminology - What's a "Phrase", "Patch", and "Current Phrase"?

    Phrase: Think of it as one loop. A "phrase" is Roland lingo for a loop.
    Patch: It's a collection of three loops. RC-50 has 99 Patches.
    Current Phrase: To record a loop, you need to specify where you're recording.
    The selected Phrase is a "Current Phrase". Rec/Play/Overdub operations are
    always applied on the Current Phrase. Likewise, the indicators show the status
    for the Current Phrase.

    One selects the Current Phrase by stepping on the Phrase 1/2/3 switch.

    What controls are available via MIDI?

    -External MIDI sync
    -Program Change/Control Change transmission: When switching a Patch, Program
    Change messages are sent. External footswitch and expression pedal operations
    are also sent as Continuous Controller messages.
    -Pach Changes from external controllers
    -Other operations from external controllers (CC#1/CC#7/CC#80): Via MIDI, one
    can adjust parameters that can't be controlled from the RC-50's footswitches or

    Both Global and Patch settings can be altered via CC's. It's possible to
    specify whether every parameter is Global or applied only on a Patch.

    So what can you do via USB?

    - Backup of user data onto a computer
    - Recovery, by sending settings store on a computer back onto an RC-50
    - Export of RC-50 phrase data onto a computer (WAV)
    - Import of WAV files in a computer, onto an RC-50

    RC-50 acts as a USB mass storage class device.
    It doesn't act as a USB MIDI device.

    Can I punch in sections of Phrase while overdubbing?

    There are 3 Overdubbing Modes, and one of them is "Momentary Punch-in".

    a. Overdub - Records material on top an existing Phrase.
    b. Replace - Overwrites material onto a Phrase; acts like a single-tap delay.
    c. Momentary Punch-In - Overwrites material only while the Rec/Play/Overdub
    pedal is depressed. Great for correcting parts of a Phrase.

    There's an Overdub Mode switch dedicated to the feature.
  7. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    Meh. I'm not interested at all.
    To me looping devices should be easy, practical tools.
    It's difficult enough to play music with loops without dealing with computers in disguise.