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anyone like Flea or Jon Entwistle?

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by patrickroberts, Mar 19, 2001.

  1. patrickroberts


    Aug 21, 2000
    Wales, UK
    do u think that people like Flea or Jon Entwistle had lessons....or did they just teach themselves?
  2. SuperDuck


    Sep 26, 2000
    What's weird is they both started out the same way.

    Both started out their musical careers by playing trumpet, and then switched to bass. (I think Entwhistle played French Horn, too, I could be wrong.) Flea was a really good trumpet player, so he has to have some theory under his belt, but he admits he can't read in the bass clef. Entwhistle, I'm not sure about how much schooling he actually has, but I read that he took his trumpet playing seriously, so I bet he knows a good amount. Anyone THAT good can't be faking it.

    But, anyway, about lessons for BASS, I think they both taught themselves, applying the knowledge they already had to bass.
  3. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Entwistle actually started out on piano, around age 4 or 5. He was the only member of The Who who was trained. He developed so well that he was actually accepted into the Royal Academy of Music or Royal Conservatory...whatever...what sucked was that his family couldn't afford to send him, so that ended his musical training!

    He didn't pick up the bass guitar until 1959, well after he met Peter Townshend. They were originally bandmates, with Townshend on banjo and Entwistle on French Horn:eek: Funny stuff!:D
  4. yawnsie


    Apr 11, 2000
    Yeah, Entwistle started with piano lessons at a young age. At about ten, I think, he gave them up and started playing the trumpet, playing trad jazz. His family couldn't afford to buy him one, so he had to lend his school's. Obviously, this meant that he had a lot formal and theoretical training before he even picked up the bass. When he did start on the bass, he applied that knowledge of theory, but more or less taught himself - he has mentioned Duane Eddy as a big influence on his bass playing. You can hear his french horn playing on albums like Tommy and Quadrophenia.

    I know that this hasn't added anything to what SuperDuck and RAM have said, but I just can't pass up a thread about the Ox! :D
  5. Niels Keijzer

    Niels Keijzer Guest

    Nov 27, 2000
    Two weeks ago, I bought "Who's next" by the Who...beautiful stuff!
    You've got to dig that horn-section in "My Wife".

    And he can also sing, by the way.
  6. that's a Gibson Thunderbird on Who's Next, right?
    it's too hollow and dull sounding to be a P bass.
    I wish he'd used a P bass on that and got the Live at Leeds sound on that album.
  7. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Actually, though I'm pretty sure he was using Fender Precisions around that time, that's not the reason his sound didn't come through...it was before engineers really understood how to record him!:(

    I believe he wasn't really happy with his sound until "Quadrophenia"...

    The thing about "Live at Leeds" was that he was just so damned loud that his vocal mic picked up alot of his trebly tone, which contributed greatly to the sound that got mixed into the final recording. This also happened on "Live at the Isle of Wight", which is, IMO, a better CD than "Live at Leeds".
  8. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Nor can I:D:D:D
  9. hmmmm. this has been bugging me for ages- if you listen closely to Who's Next through headphones, the bass sounds like it has 2 pickups- the hollow sound- where you can hear the strings striking the frets it doesn't sound like a single p/up precision would at all, and in the pictures for the reissue of the album showing the band playing the "lifehouse" gigs before the album was recorded he's playing a Tbird.

    in interviews he said that the engineers just turned down the treble, as they didn't know what to do with it- it wouldn't take a genius to just leave the EQ flat and let it come through

    at the Isle of Wight gig I think he was playing a rosewood board Pbass (front cover pic playing a black p bass wearing skeleton outfit?), - I prefer the maple-board sound as on Live at Leeds! :D
  10. yawnsie


    Apr 11, 2000
    Actually, that horn section was played by Entwistle himself - another example of his trumpet playing. Another song to listen to is Red Blue and Grey, on the Who By Numbers album, where he overdubbed a whole brass band.

    On the subject of Who's Next, I'm sure that he used a T-Bird on the album. IMO, his sound on Behind Blue Eyes is a really nice tone - but then, the Ox could play a Rogue through a 10W Gorilla amp, and it would still sound great to me!
  11. 90_feet


    Mar 18, 2001
    acually sence iworship flea lol the first guitarist of RHCP taught flea how to play bass
  12. I didn't like the sound he was getting from his Status Buzzard in that "Classic Albums- Who's Next" programme though- very electronic sounding-
    graphite + active electronics + distortion=bleurgh
  13. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I don't own headphones;)
  14. um, strap your speakers either side of your head, then.
  15. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Uh, yeah! I did that already! But, when I did that, I couldn't put my boom-box back together again...anyone know how?
  16. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA

    I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the bass used for "Who's Next" was one of Entwistle's famous "Fenderbird" basses. These were a few Thunderbirds with the necks removed and replaced with a Fender Precision neck. I know, sounds like a major pain in the butt, I'm sure it was.
  17. Dave Castelo

    Dave Castelo

    Apr 19, 2000
    we are talking about Entwistle!

  18. re. the "Fenderbird" I've seen a few pics of this/these bass/basses (and also a Gibson Explorer he fitted a P bass neck too) and concert footage of him using one.

    I'm interested as to how they were made- the T-bird body is the reverse kind....which would mean the original neck was neck-through........and must have been sawn off for the maple P bass neck to be fitted :eek:.

    or was it a left handed non reverse T Bird body (set neck)?

    or maybe Gibson supplied a T bird body specially?
  19. Tyler Dupont

    Tyler Dupont Wesly Headpush

    Duct tape of course :)
  20. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Now...why didn't I think of that?:confused:

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