Anyone tried the ADA GCS-2 speaker sim?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Timi, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. I really like the tone of the Tech21 Character pedals (VT and Leeds in particular) but the speaker sim bothers me. While it does the sharp rolloff of the top end to get rid of the "fizz" when run direct it also introduces a massive 2-3k peak that sounds pretty nasty to me, both direct and through my amp. I'm running the treble at minimum and it's still way too much!

    I'm thinking about using the Leeds with the sim off and getting a separate speaker sim which would give me more control of this rolloff and peak for going direct, while also giving me a dry out so I don't have to use the sim into my amp.

    Not a heap of options around but this one caught my eye, it seems like it would give me the control I'm looking for but I'm worried it might kill the low end too much. Has anyone tried it? Could anyone recommend any alternatives that are pedalboard friendly?

    http://www.adaamps.com/Products/ada-GCS2/GCS2.htm

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  2. C741

    C741

    Feb 14, 2009
    USA
    I have a ADA gcs-2 that will be getting mounted in my bass pedalboard pretty soon here.
    Fairly tweakable little box, I like mine on the Modern/12inch/Sealed settings and the mic
    placement (makes a big difference) knob set to taste.
    IMO it dosen't kill the lows when set properly and makes O.D./Dist./Fuzz sound much, much
    better when going direct.

    Not trying to push this box, but I like it on bass, hope this helps some.
     
  3. i use the palmer PDI-09 speaker sim direct box, less controls but sounds great with all my distortion
     
  4. Cool, thanks for that!

    I have my doubts on this one, I worked with a band once where the guitarist had a rackmount Palmer and it was a bit fizzy (and limited control to tame it). Was interesting to hear compared to the mic, we actually used the Palmer for a solo tone because the top end cut through really well but I don't think this will suit what I'm going for on bass. What sort of tones are you going for?
     
  5. Subbed - really would like more info on how this works with bass
     
  6. reddi

    reddi

    Jan 7, 2010
    Ditto! Anyone else using this box?
     
  7. C741

    C741

    Feb 14, 2009
    USA
  8. jacoby75

    jacoby75 Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2010
    Coldwater, MI
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Guitars, DR Strings
    I thought I might revive this thread, if you don't mind, because I'm thinking of doing this.

    Anybody tried it lately? I tried one for my direct-only electric guitar rig a while back and liked it, but ultimately went with a tech 21 blonde instead, though I probably could have used both, I just didn't have the money to keep both.

    Now I'm playing bass in a church that runs direct only, and I'm looking for something cost effective (read not a torpedo cab) to add a little more 3d depth to my sound. I use a tech 21 blonde, which works well, but I'm still missing something. And drives still a little too harsh for my liking.

    Thanks
     
  9. jacoby75

    jacoby75 Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2010
    Coldwater, MI
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Guitars, DR Strings
    It's hard to know. For just about everyone that says something great about something, there's someone who has negative things to say. I read about that one as well, but heard that it rolls off the lows too much to be effective for bass.
     
  10. jacoby75

    jacoby75 Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2010
    Coldwater, MI
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Guitars, DR Strings
    Of course I'm sure whether or not a device is "good" also depends at least in some part on the rest of the gear used, playing technique, and what sort of sound you're going after in the first place. But it still seems that some things should just subjectively suck and not be good to some people and not others. But there's a lot of objectivity out there, understandably so.
     
  11. shinybeast

    shinybeast

    Apr 1, 2014
    Note to pedal makers: will someone just build this already? Bass oriented cabinet simulator, analog. Built-in decent DI with ground lift and output volume or pad. Solid low end response down to 40 Hz or so. Priced under $200. Through output so that you can send a non-simulated signal to your bass amp. Non-phase inverting so the user can blend the cabinet simulated signal with an uneffected DI signal in the FOH mix if desired. Rugged construction for live use. Headphones out a plus so you can hear what the DI sounds like going into the board.

    That's about it. Resist the temptation to slap on a "vintage character" overdrive or "color" mid scoop suck knob or something else that homogenizes the sound of your bass and pedals. It doesn't have to be programmable (most of us don't need to change cabinet emulation settings after every song). Just something that can sit after a good bass OD or compressor and roll off the fizz going into the FOH.

    Can it be done?
     
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  12. eloann

    eloann

    May 14, 2012
    Switzerland
    Ticks most of your boxes. Not a clue about the quality.
    BASS Cabinet simulator | Reverb

    I'm using the GCS-3 which is the GCS-2 plus a headphones out. I quite like it - not all settings are suited for bass but it's easy to dial in those that are.
    It can be heard on this video I made a while back:
     
  13. jacoby75

    jacoby75 Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2010
    Coldwater, MI
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Guitars, DR Strings
    I have seen that bass cab simulator online. My only concern is that there isn't enough known about it yet. I haven't seen any reviews online. But I guess somebody has to be the first to bite the bullet and give it a try.
     
  14. shinybeast

    shinybeast

    Apr 1, 2014
    Actually, the GCS-3 in your video sounds quite good. Thanks for posting--Might have to reconsider that one. Does it make a difference if you use it between the amp and speaker rather than after the pre amp?
     
  15. eloann

    eloann

    May 14, 2012
    Switzerland
    As in after the power amp ? Not sure it could handle it.
    I have never tried it with an actual amp anyway - it's part of my bedroom practice rig. Though I may use it as a DI live some day.
     
  16. shinybeast

    shinybeast

    Apr 1, 2014
    The ADA website says the GCS-3 has a feature called POWER AMP DIRECT CONNECT which is a 30 dB pad switch that I thought was supposed to allow connecting the power amp to the direct box and running the thru on out to your speaker. I was just curious if it made a difference. I may have misunderstood this feature, though; maybe there's an owner's manual that has more info....

    I don't know if there's a wattage limit; the Radial JDX also works after the power amp and it reportedly does have a power limit. The GCS-2 doesn't have this feature or the headphone jack.

    Yours sounds great right after the preamp, though, so maybe it's not a feature you need...here's the link, anyway...

    A/DA (tm) - Miked Guitar Cabinet Simulator
     
  17. eloann

    eloann

    May 14, 2012
    Switzerland
    I think you undestood correctly - that's just something I wasn't aware of. My amp and cab being connected via Speakon, I have no easy way of trying that out.

    By the way in the above video I used the ADA APP-1 preamp which I didn't really like (even for guitar).
    I'll have to make another video with the Shift Line MKII tube preamp (actually meant for bass) one of these days - it'll sound even better.
     
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