Anyone use a frfr cab with modeler for bass?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TerribleCj, Jun 23, 2020.

  1. TerribleCj


    Jun 10, 2020
    I was looking for a light combo to grab and go for jamming but thought about getting a powered 1x12 frfr cabinet or monitor to use with my axefx 2. Will something like the headrush cabinet hold up to bass use? Should I just keep my eye open for an actual bass amp? I currently lug my 1964 Fender Concert around everywhere and it gets heavy.....I only use the axefx with headphones so it always sounds good. When I use the Concert, I usually have some sort of drive or fuzz and my arion octave pedal, thats about it
    persanchez and dkelley like this.
  2. I use an EV ELX115P which is an FRFR 1000 watt 15” speaker with a Line6 HX Stomp board. It sounds pretty great but doesn’t really weigh less than a head and a 2x10 or 1x15 cab.

    It does let me take advantage of running amp and cab modelling without any colouration however.
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2020
    dkelley and RumbleBot like this.
  3. Depends on your tonal goals, some have found these cabs satisfactory and others not.

    What you are looking at are just portable PA Top Boxes, if they fit your goals then it is good, but there is a reason that PA's also use Sub boxes.
    Eric_71 likes this.
  4. I do know that other major brand PA/FOH cabinets work spot on excellent.

    Most people who fail at modeling have failed because they tried to re-use their narrow range bass amp to reproduce a wider range amp sim.
    n1as likes this.
  5. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Just note that most powered PA cabinets of this caliber use peak power ratings rather than RMS. This means that their low frequency power is overstated by a factor of 2

    Also many include in the power the gross power of the tweeter amp, which may be rated the same as the woofer amp but it reality can only deliver a maximum of ~50 watts due to crossover and dynamics processing.

    Buyer beware, learn about the details.
  6. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

    one 12" FRFR is for light duty, IME. you'll be able to define light duty for yourself if you use one and it craps out on you. but a well-built piece would be fine/cool, maybe even advantageous on some gigs. i've used them for 'bass-monitoring' applications and they were a treat. the grab-and-go aspect is nice. just don't "over-expect." good luck! :thumbsup:
  7. Omega Monkey

    Omega Monkey

    Mar 8, 2015
    Personally I would not do this, unless your needs for a cab were very mild (ie small coffee shop style gigs, etc...). Even then, it makes more sense to just use a real bass cab and then not have to model the speaker cab. Air is what makes sound sound less good. The electronic elements of a sound (ie tube overdrive), seem fairly well understood at this point, but the mechanical aspects of a sound are still basically completely undiscovered and unexplored (from a modeling perspective). There's more to emulating a speaker cab than just rolling off the highs and applying a bit of an additional EQ filter beyond that. To my ear, as a sound guy, there are still textural and timbral differences that modeling is not fully capable of getting right.
    Milton Broome likes this.
  8. TerribleCj


    Jun 10, 2020
    Wow, thanks dudes. I figured I would ask before I bought the cheapest speaker gc has on the shelf. A 1x15 powered cab would be nice to find but yeah, I bet it’s heavy with a 1000+ watt power amp built in. I’m going to experiment with the axefx through the front of the concert. What’s a good min/max power rating for powered bass cab? Just want to know what to look for
  9. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Just reading your current setup this is what comes to mind. Just get giant headphones.
  10. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Except that it's not really 1000 watts either.
  11. QSC K12.2
    Many rental companies have them
  12. I used an EV ZLX 12 and Alto 12 inch powered sub a couple times for Chapman Stick. There was tonnes of clarity and low end and the power rating was fine, because I was using both. Obviously a lot to carry but if I want to bring on that brown note, I would def do it again!
    Low Down Brown likes this.
  13. Sure, I was only listing what it is sold as. Yes it is peak or burst power or whatever rating they use these days.

    1000 watts RMS through a single speaker would be madness.

    It is rated at 134dB Max SPL (measured at 1 meter) which is what sold me on it (also the fact I got it scratch and dent for 25% of the RRP).
    agedhorse likes this.
  14. Wohlf


    Dec 14, 2015
    Music City
    I use the Headrush cabinet for practicing at home with my Kemper and it sounds great for both 4 or 5 string.
  15. BAG


    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    Get in touch with a local PA company and explain what you are looking for. It would be perfect if they do rental and sales. You should be able to take your AxFX to their shop and try out numerous different powered PA speakers.
    wildman2 and seamonkey like this.
  16. I used to use my pedalboard with a Digitech Cabdriver at the end of the signal chain with a powered 1x15 cab with great results.
  17. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    What are you running in the Concert?
  18. CJL

    CJL Supporting Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I tried it, but in the end I sold both that I tried (Headrush FRFR12 and a Matrix FR12) and bought a powered GKMBP212. It’s 500 watts and weighs 37 pounds and it is specifically made for bass. I know that some have mentioned in other threads that the XLR interface is somehow only programmed to work with GK products (combos and Plex preamp) but I have used it with 3 different preamps and also just directly out of a small Shure IEM mixer and have not had any issues at all.
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2020
    Lytepipe, Jim Carr and InnerCityBass like this.
  19. A 1000w amp module weighs next to nothing!

    You want a Quilter 802 and a Fearful12/6, close enough to flat response for jazz.
    Jim Carr and Zbysek like this.
  20. Medicine Man

    Medicine Man

    Apr 10, 2015
    I did a Kemper for a while, just through monitors, but after a while just went back to a class D, pedalboard, direct box and cabinet. My band and I felt that having the onstage thump of a bass cab was more conducive to an energetic performance.
    Zbysek likes this.