I'm sorry to ask such a controversal question. In response to my original posting about looking for a second bass, members of the talkbass.com recommended that I look into the New Standard's. In researching the forums, the endorsements are pretty good. I'm trying not to offend Mr. Schnitzer, who I believe is a member of talkbass.com, but the New Standard's are on the high end of price for laminated basses. Are they really worth the extra bucks? I was thinking of the "Cleveland" model, which I would use at church, primarily for pizz, but I will bow some pieces on occasion. I have another English carved bass set up purely for orchestral use. Thanks.