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Are They Friggin' Mad?!

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Woodchuck, Jun 19, 2003.

  1. Woodchuck


    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta (Grant Park!)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    It's kinda lengthy, but you'd get a kick out of what they want to do in the Senate. I don't know who's dumber, the labels or the Senate.
    In a brief press release, Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said that he suggested the idea at Tuesday's hearing

    "I think that industry is not doing enough to help us find effective ways to stop people from using computers to steal copyrighted, personal or sensitive materials," he said.

    But Hatch noted that his proposed law, which would permit wide-scale destruction of computers used to download illicit music and other files from peer-to-peer networks, was still on the table. "I do not favor extreme remedies--unless no moderate remedies can be found," Hatch said in the statement.

    Because Hatch oversees the Senate committee responsible for writing criminal laws, and because he has taken a personal interest in copyright legislation--he is himself an amateur songwriter--his suggestion raised eyebrows and some alarm in Washington. It represents the most radical proposal to date in Congress, going even further than a bill introduced last year by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., that would have permitted copyright holders to disable or block a P2P node that they suspected of distributing their intellectual property without permission.

    During a hearing that Hatch convened Tuesday on the "national security risks" of P2P networks, he asked a witness, "Can you destroy their set in their home?" referring to a home PC.

    Randy Saaf of MediaDefender, a secretive Los Angeles company that works with the recording industry to disrupt P2P networks, replied by saying "nobody" is interested in that approach.

    "I am," Hatch said. "I'm interested in doing that. That may be the only way you can teach someone about copyright...That would be the ultimate way of making sure" no more copyright is infringed.

    Hatch suggested that Congress would have to amend laws restricting computer intrusions. "If it's the only way you can do it," Hatch said, "then I'm all for destroying their machines...but you'd have to pass legislation permitting that, it seems to me, before someone could really do that with any degree of assurance that they're doing something that might be proper."

    Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department prosecutor who is an associate professor at George Washington University law school, says Hatch's idea "would not only be a bad idea, but an extremely bad idea. The cure would be worse than the disease."

    If Hatch's proposal were to be written into law, Kerr said, it would have to amend the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, a federal computer crime statute. "It would give an exception to copyright owners who are taking reasonable steps to disable acts of copyright infringement," Kerr said. "The trick is that all of these (disruption or disabling) offenses are crimes under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act."

    In the past, Hatch has chosen sides carefully in copyright tussles. He commended the Justice Department for arresting Dmitri Sklyarov, a Russian programmer charged with criminal violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and he claimed in 1999 that the controversial law "laid the cornerstone for a rich and more vibrant Internet." But a year later, Hatch split with the Clinton administration when it sided with the record labels against Napster, and a former top Hatch aide, Manus Cooney, left to become Napster's chief lobbyist.

    Hatch's proposal for legislation left public interest groups puzzled and alarmed. Mike Godwin, an attorney at Public Knowledge, said, "Much as I respect Sen. Hatch, he is virtually alone in believing that the destruction of computers could even be a last-ditch remedy for copyright infringement."

    "I wish he hadn't said that," Godwin said. "And over time I suspect he'll wish he hadn't said that either."
  2. Ummm...
    So...he wants to destroy my computer, and my brother's computer, and all my friends' computers?
  3. Killdar


    Dec 16, 2002
    Portland Maine
    haha! that made me laugh, a lot. especaiiy this;

    "I do not favor extreme remedies--unless no moderate remedies can be found," Hatch said in the statement.

    lol I dunno what it was, but I laughed my a$$ off whan I read that.

    haha, I can imagine this politician looking guy running around with a baseball bat, breaking into houses and bashing peoples' computers...lol...
  4. Jesus, pretty soon they are going to make everything illegal in someway, granted marijuana is rather off topic here, but still. They are just trying to make new laws left and right, I have a remedi for them, make new copyrighted stuff with discs that cannot be ripped in any way possible(I know we can do that) and go from there, perhaps stop allowing people to put stuff on file sharing things so easilyAnd just able to share what exists on there, and just go on with it, plus why would someone use just kazaa stuff, the quality isn't nearly as good as a CD, and I can very easily tell the difference. So they should just make it a lot harder to rip and put things on file sharing devices. (sorry if I broke any rules with that government stuff, it's not my fault I am 16....oh wait yeah it is.):meh:

    (Edit:can I say Jesus like that?)
  5. Well we'll just have to make up a few laws of our own then...like amnesty for people who shoot politicians, especially senators, providing they did it "just for the hell of it, and cause that geezer was dumb" :)

    Seriously, you can't expect to win over geeks using technology, so only n00bs (i.e. sons of senators and so on) will be affected = status quo.

    Most people believe that "copy protected"cd's can't be copied :rolleyes:
  6. moley


    Sep 5, 2002
    Hampshire, UK
    Not if you don't wanna go to HELL! :eek:



    I can't see anyone being really offended by it...
  7. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    I think it's a great idea to destroy computers wholesale, we should do the same with all dangerous crime tools such as telephones, cars, pens, knives, crowbars, ... etc etc ad infinitum et absurdum.

  8. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    What, guns are an "etc"?;)

    Maybe "amateur songwriter" Hatch is afraid his songs will get stolen. I think that's his way of trying to get a record deal, since he can't sweet talk Sonny Bono into helping him.:D
  9. Even better, his website is running unlicensed (aka pirated) software. Here is a link http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html
    to the story.

    There is also a porn link on his page, or at least was. The My Utah Search link went to a porn site. They may have corrected that one by now though... Yep, they caught it (Slashdot drew attention to it earlier, so no surprise there). Oh well.