Are Truth and Fact Different?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by wild4oldcars, Jan 10, 2014.

  1. wild4oldcars


    Jan 22, 2012
    Garner, NC
    Trying to settle a dispute, thought it might make good conversation for TBOT. I will go into detail the dispute, and my position, at a later time. Aaaand... go.
  2. Roscoe East

    Roscoe East

    Aug 22, 2011
    yes ...but the difference is more semantic than practical.
  3. jmattbassplaya

    jmattbassplaya Supporting Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Tampa, FL.
    I've always viewed fact as being just that - fact. Truth is more subjective.
  4. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    "When Solon was asked if he had given his countrymen the best laws, he answered, "The best they are capable of receiving." This is one of the profoundest utterances on record; and yet like all great truth, so simple as to be rarely comprehended. It contains the whole philosophy of History. It utters a truth which, had it been recognized, would have saved men an immensity of vain, idle disputes, and have led them into clearer paths of knowledge in the Past. It means this,-that all truths are Truths of Period, and not truths for eternity; that whatever great fact has had strength and vitality enough to make itself real, whether of religion, morals, government, or of whatever else, and to find place in this world, has been truth for the time, and as good as men were capable of receiving."
  5. Unrepresented

    Unrepresented Something Borderline Offensive

    Jul 1, 2006
    San Diego, CA
    "Facts" are applied towards determining "truth."

  6. This. I was gong to say that facts are the components that truth is made from.

  7. PJ Muzikmansky

    PJ Muzikmansky

    Jan 4, 2013
    The way I see it, truth is an overall state determined to be in accordance with facts/reality. Facts are the component parts, themselves known to be true; i.e. verifiable, and which comprise the overall state of the 'truth'...or something like that.

    Somewhat circular i know, but cut me some slack... My first cup of morning coffee hasn't quite 'kicked in' yet !
  8. elgecko


    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    "Truth" is a philosophical issue.
  9. Unrepresented

    Unrepresented Something Borderline Offensive

    Jul 1, 2006
    San Diego, CA
    This whole thread is a philosophical issue.;)
  10. DeathFromBelow

    DeathFromBelow Never Forget. Banned

    Dec 23, 2010
    Horten, Norway
    "Truth and fact"? Pffftt... Opinions yo. Just sayin'.
  11. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown Supporting Member

    Feb 16, 2011
    At what point does a thing go from being "the will of god" to being a "fact".

    Also if a thing is "the truth" what makes it so?

    How does an article of faith with no additional support in fact, become a "truth" and why does the contention that "this horse turd tastes like chicken" require indisputable proof before that statement can be claimed to be the "truth"?
  12. skychief


    Apr 27, 2011
    South Bay
    Facts are facts. Indisputable.

    The 'truth', however, is subject to the scrutiny of the beholder.
  13. ZenG


    Dec 13, 2013
    Near the fridge
    If a liar tells you he's that the truth?
  14. paste


    Oct 3, 2011
    Yes. And of course a liar does not have to be an exclusive liar either. :smug:
  15. Dale D Dilly

    Dale D Dilly Monster

    Jul 1, 2008
    The truth is that semantics are terribly practical, though that's not a fact.
  16. DerHoggz

    DerHoggz I like cats :| Banned

    Feb 13, 2009
    Western Pennsylvania
    The concept of factuality is untruthful. It's a fact, truthfully.

    (Imagine I have a beard, and I am stroking it)
  17. Nev375


    Nov 2, 2010
    A young man fell in love with truth
    In searching the whole wide world for her
    He found her in a small house
    In the clearing
    In the forest
    She was old and she was stooped
    He pledged himself to her
    To chop the wood and carry the water

    And he told her that she was young and beautiful
    He told her that she was young and beautiful

    Years went by until one day
    The young man woke up longing, for a child
    He went to the old women
    And he asked to be released from his oath to her
    That he might return, to the world

    Certainly she said
    On one condition

    You must tell them that I am young and beautiful
    You must tell them that I am young and beautiful

    --Christy Moore
    Folk tale
  18. wild4oldcars


    Jan 22, 2012
    Garner, NC
    I was talking to my friend about the bigfoot thread on here, and I was trying to explain my belief that unanimous consensus does not constitute fact. He disagreed, stating fact was determined by not even unanimity, but general consensus. I'm not quite sure how the topic came up, but we landed on the example of extra-terrestrials. We both believe in them, so there's no discrepancy there, but he said that if they exist, and if everyone in the world believed that there were no aliens, then it was a fact that they did not exist, simply because it accepted, while the truth was that they do exist. I could *almost* see making a case for the opposite, where truth is subject to the teller's knowledge and fact is reality, what exists in actuality. I then asked him the difference between the expressions "the truth of the matter" and "the fact of the matter" and he could not discriminate between the two. Personally, I believe both truth and fact are synonymous with reality, regardless of what the masses believe. Am I wrong?
  19. Zephrant


    Dec 10, 2013
    Spokane, WA
    Facts are based on science. Truth is based on philosophy.

    PI is about 3.1415. That is a fact, independently verifiable by any being any place in the known universe.

    I like pie. That is a truth, but can't be scientifically measured, only attested to.

    I enjoyed my science clases, I related to the absoluteness of them better. Philosophy gave me a harder time. It is subjective, which doesn't match my engineer's mindset well.
  20. jmattbassplaya

    jmattbassplaya Supporting Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Tampa, FL.

    This is how I would have stated my initial post if I were a better writer :p