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Are we the Consumer Exploited?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by MAJOR METAL, Oct 18, 2005.


    MAJOR METAL The Beagle Father Staff Member Supporting Member

    Do you think as Consumers we are exploited as much as possible to make a profit due to our dependance on such things needed for dayily living either basic or at the comfort level IE Termination Fees ETC? . I just dont like the idea of holding such control over something and exploiting it out of peoples dependance on it.
  2. Well, an often said phrase here claims that any object is worth as much as someone's willing to pay for it. I doubt that this applies only to luxury items.
  3. mikemulcahy


    Jun 13, 2000
    The Abyss
    I think consumer vanity is more exploited than anything. I get so annoyed seeing some random MD or PhD edorsing some BS diet plan or pill and the even more absurd hair growth products. The FDA has nothing to regulate this idiotic claims of the snake oil vendors and the public keeps sending their money in like sheep.

  4. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Of course we're exploited, that's how capitalism works after all.
  5. The price of natural gas is expected to go up 30 - 70% this winter. What is the option? Don't heat your house?

    Need I say more?

    Also, if you make a late payment on a credit card, you're charged a late fee. Why then does your credit rating have to take a hit? In my humble opinion, you should be given a choice of paying the late fee, with no mark on your credit rating or, (the late fee should be considered your formal, financial apology for paying late) having your rating suffer, but not both. :scowl: :spit:

    Ah, but no one ever said life is fair. :rollno:

  6. Folmeister

    Folmeister Knowledge is Good - Emile Faber Supporting Member

    May 7, 2003
    Tomball, Texas
    Capitalism is fueled by exploitation of both worker and consumer. Nothing is illegal until we decide, as a culture, that there "ought to be a law." Most states usually provide for the most consumer protections, but business firms are advised by the most evil and clever lawyers money can buy. I may have insight into the "early termination fee" complaint you mention. I have had an on-going fued with Earthlink over these. But, California provides for a "remorse period" that I have used as leverage. Don't think that in our current political environment that the "customer is always right."
  7. Snarf


    Jan 23, 2005
    Glen Cove, NY
    We are exploited through underhanded backroom deals, price gouging, addicting poison in consumer products (not just cigs) and the effects of advertising that brainwashes the masses. Big corporations are satan.
  8. The Eristic

    The Eristic Supporting Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Cartersville, GA
    Put more clothes on and learn to quilt. :^D
  9. :p

    Mike :D
  10. "And for those of you who don't think capitalism is completly weird, there some burger guy up there who had his stand burn down last night, so you might want to consider buying something from him." - Wavy Gravy stage announcement at Woodstock 1969

    Capitalism may be weird to some, but I'll take it over the alternative.

    It's all supply and demand whether you subsidize it or not.
  11. pkr2


    Apr 28, 2000
    coastal N.C.
    So called capitalism has the potential to destroy our way of life as we know it now.

    He who has the money makes the rules. A good example is the way credit card companies are allowed to operate. A contract is signed when you apply for a credit card that is not understandable by the very best of lawyers. The credit card companies are allowed to violate the terms of the contract at will but the consumer is punished severly for the most minute infraction by unreal interest rates.

    We are paying nearly $3.00 a gallon for gas because the price of crude oil is escalating. Still the oil companies are enjoying the highest profit margin in history.

    What is happening because of unchecked greed is especially disasterous to those on fixed incomes. Don't forget that you are on a fixed income if your employer does't give you realistic cost of living raises frequently. If you do get c.o.l. raises the price of your companies product escalates in step with the raises which drives the c.o.l. up. It's like a dog chasing its tail.

    Capitalism doesn't take into account the greed factor which is a permanent part of human nature.
    I don't claim to be a prophet but common sense indicates that our way of life is on very shaky ground.
  12. Capitalism does take into account greed. Communism does not.
  13. It depends. I feel exploited in two main areas: mobile phone service and gasoline.

    (and for those implying that Capitalism is bad, and a more socialist economy would be better, look at some of the prime examples of capitalist countries and examples of communist countries... which have very wealthy citizens overall, and which have very poor and exploited ones?)
  14. Against Will

    Against Will Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Big Sound Central
    I find subsidies for things like agriculture very fascinating. If we did not have them, with our given resources, we could have significantly cheaper meat and food. But then the factory farms wouldn't make any money.

    Many European countries exercise a (somewhat limited) form of a socialist economy and many of their citizens are grateful for things like cheap schools, the 'dole' and free health insurance. Then look at countries in, say, Latin/Central America where capitalism (mainly in the form of foreign investors and entrepeneurs) has wreaked havoc on the economy and you have a huge income gap, with a very small portion of the population controlling all the wealth, government and military and the vast majority is impoverished and (for the indigenous populations especially) occasionally slaugthered because they're in the way of new capitalist ventures.

    Communism takes into account that economic class has political implications. I wouldn't argue that Communism is inherent more egalatarian (**** spelling), as Marx proposes a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' which in turn means replacing one elite with another, as was the case with the Soviet Union and China.
  15. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Terrific Twister

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    The biggest place to see an example of this is in a sports stadium, movie theater, or concert. Would you EVER pay $8-9 for one medium cup of beer anywhere else? How about $4-5 for a hot dog? They charge what they want because they can, and the consumer has no alternative once inside the venue.

    Nothing changes until people stop buying the items. I refuse to buy any food or drinks at a sports event. I always end up sitting next to a few people who walk back the their seats with enough food and beer to feed a small nation, and all they are doing is complaining about the prices. Hello idiot..... :D

  16. pkr2


    Apr 28, 2000
    coastal N.C.
    I agree. The most powerful vote that exists is when one votes with thier billfold.
  17. pkr2


    Apr 28, 2000
    coastal N.C.
    Maybe it doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

    There are many forms of government but very few "pure" forms. It seems reasonable to me that the best parts of several forms of government could be combined to make a better government than any one of the governments alone.

    The whole point of my original post was to point out the fact that the point is fast approaching where no one is going to be able to buy groceries and heating fuel. An individual can't afford medical care right now. can anyone say "drug companies"?
  18. burk48237

    burk48237 Supporting Member

    Nov 22, 2004
    Oak Park, MI
    We chose to exploit ourselves, no one has to have a gaming set up, big screen TV, DVD player. Most of us could get by with a few basics, a microwave, a couple of Sadowsky basses, a Fly Rod and a good coffee maker! :)
  19. Against Will

    Against Will Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Big Sound Central

    Agreed, however I think Major was referring to necessities such as food, etc.

    It's interesting what people find 'necessary'.
  20. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    Talkbass sexually exploits me.